J-Horror SUCKS as compared to american horror
 

FUCK J-HORROR. and I don't care who disagrees. I've seen about 7 and they ALL sucked.period. I just had to get that off my chest.

The problem as I see it is that the US isn't all that discriminating about what it imports. We get just as much crap as we get good stuff from Japan, and unfortunately a lot of J horror just sells because it's J horror. But anybody who's seen Tetsuo, Ju-on, Honda's original Gojira or Odishon can't deny the merit. Finding really good J horror is as hard as finding really good contemporary horror.

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Damn, I was going to say that





Well, um... DITTO

i totally agree...all their movies are like the freakin same and they say we're stupid? make some better j horror movies and then come talk to us geez

Grow up. Then get back to US.


Now be gone, peasant.

All the j horror movies are all the same. I don't know if the american producers like a certain flavor of j horror. there4 thats what we get to see. but the american versions at least, are all the same. Same bad guys, and similar plots. They're all very predictable. I can think of at least a dozen or so bad guys for a movie that don't involve a little undead asian boy, or an undead women with messy long black hair. And I wouldn't make'm all walk on all fours all crazy and upside down. Well at least not everytime. Though, I did think it looked cool the first time I saw it.

Wow, I wonder why only some of us have access to the ghost stories, vampire flicks (both hopping and non), serial killer stories, and many other genres that exist within the "j horror" catagory. The mind boggles.

Wait... are you judging J horror based on what's been remade????

Wow, I didn't realize Battle Royale was the same as Audition and that was the same as Versus and that was the same as Wild Zero and that was the same as Ringu which, of course was the EXACT same thing as Death Note

Very enlightening

Some the the films can be a bit repetitive but boring, I dont think so. If thery were rubbish american film studios wouldnt want to remake them eg the ring (shit compared to the japenese original) and Ju-on

The Ghost genre is to the Asian people what the Slasher genre is to the American people.


Yes, a lot of ghost movies has come out of Japan, China and Korea the last decade. And yes, a lot of them are much the same.
But thats nothing compared to the american Slasher movies that has been made durring the last 30 years.... And don't get me started about THAT horrible genre!! :mad:

I don't like Japanese ghost movies that much either. With the exception of Kwaidan, which is nothing like Ringu or Ju-on anyway. Remember, however, that Tetsuo, Kwaidan, Ichi the Killer and such are not as attainable as Ringu, Ju-On and others like them. Videostores don't take a gamble on true Asian cult. That's something people have to find on Netflix or purchase. But, will people purchase a movie they haven't seen in a genre that has disappointed them before? Usually no. So, these misconceptions about Asian horror will probably continue until we can assemble an Asian horror/ cult top blankety blank list. People who deprive themselves of ultraviolent Yakuza outings and kickass Sukeban flicks are sorely deprived.

I've cut and pasted all the Asian entries on all three top 100 lists so that newbs will be able to see how many Asian entries made it and how few are traditional ghost stories.
They are:
Koroshiya 1 (aka Ichi the Killer) (2001)
Yabu no naka no kuroneko (aka The Black Cat) (1968)
Du bi quan wang da po xue di zi (aka Master of the Flying Guillotine) (1975)
Onibaba (1964)
Lik wong (aka Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky) (1991
Perfect Blue (1996)
Kwaidan
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust (2000)
Battle Royale
The Eye (Jian gui)
Ringu
Kairo (Pulse)
Audition
Art of the Devil 2 aka Long khong (2005)
Blind Beast aka Moju (1969)
Chinese Torture Chamber Story 2 aka Moon ching sap daai huk ying ji chek law ling jeung (1998)
Cure aka Kyua (1997)
Dr Lamb aka Gou yeung yi sang (1992)
Evil aka To Kako (2005)
Evil Dead Trap aka Shiryo no wana (1988)
Entrails of a Virgin aka Shojo no harawata (1986)
Guinea Pig - Devil's Experiment aka Za ginipiggu: Akuma no jikken (1985)
Guinea Pig - Flowers of Flesh & Blood aka Za ginipiggu 2: Chiniku no hana (1985)
Guinea Pig - Mermaid in the Manhole aka Za ginipiggu 4: Manhoru no naka no ningyo (1988)
Junk aka Junk: Shiryô-gari (2000)
Kichiku: Banquet of the Beasts aka Kichiku Dai Enkai (1997)
Men Behind the Sun aka Hei tai yang 731 (1988)
Red Room 2 aka Shin akai misshitsu (heya): Kowareta ningyô-tachi (2002)
Splatter: Naked Blood aka Nekeddo burâddo: Megyaku (1995)
Stacy (2001)
Suicide Club aka Jisatsu saakuru (2002)
Tetsuo the Iron Man (1989)
The Untold Story aka Baat sin faan dim ji yan yuk cha siu baau (1993)
Three…Extremes aka Saam Gaang Yi (2004)

34 entries. Over 10% of the films in the three best of categories were Asian.

Like I said in another thread, go out and pick up the Cinema Hound guide to Asian flicks and cult picks. It's a HUGE book with tons of Asian films from every genre. It's a decent place to start. Also, Doc took the time to make a great list of flicks, check those out. Kwaidan was probably my favorite Asian ghost movie as well, or at least tied with R-Point (which is also NOTHING like The Ring or Ju-On).

I'd also like to add to that list the following: Gojira, Terrifying Girl's High School:Lynch Law Classroom, Female Yakuza:Inquisition and Torture, Zeiram (it's crap, but it's fun crap) and Ninja Scroll.

I don't care what kind of horror I watch.Just as long as it scares me.But none of it has.So,they failed.

I can't remember if I've done this analogy here or not, but Ringu was to Japan what Scream was to the US. Both came out around the same time, both revitalized a waning genre, and both spawned a bunch of sub-par retreads. That's why we got flooded with the "new, hip" Dead Teeneager movies and Asia got flooded with the ghost movies, especially with the creepy little girls.

But all J-Horror being the same? Psht. And having only seen seven of them? How about I show someone who has never seen a horror movie Kairo, Three Extremes, Audition, Kwaidan, Tetsuo The Iron Man, Suicide Circle, and Dark Water, and then show them Halloween 3, Exorcist 2, Manos: The Hands of Fate, Jason X, The Wicker Man remake, Scream of the Mummy, and Jaws: The Revenge, and then have them say which place does it better?

j horror
 

j-horror doesn't always just consist of horror all the time. it takes some logical thinking as well which we Americans don't have. which is sad really. the American movies always have a dead set ending. always "oh thats what happened" but with Japanese movies the endings leave you off thinking and wondering, and it may take a few watches to understand. but since America is so lazy and want everything done for them they don't want to re watch a movie. they just want everything to be explained to them. now I'm not saying all of America is like this. there is a select few that do have an open mind and are also embarrassed to call themselves American. i have watched a lot of American movies (more than you can count) and i always find myself saying "hes the one who did it, or this is how it ends." within 20 mins. of the movie. but with the few Japanese horror movies i have seen i never find myself thinking of the ending, because its always different. like Audition for example has a completely different ending from the movie Death Note or Premonition(the Japanese version). i don't believe that Japanese movies are intended for horror, they leave the horror up to you. you have to piece the movie together yourself then figure out "oh so thats why so and so killed that person." for example the movie Cello, i had to watch that movie several times before i understood the ending, and when i did that was kind of a weird movie. now until America comes out with a decent horror movie i lose all respect toward them. :mad:

It doesn't matter where a film is made!I love films from all over the world.I have an open mind...........but I'm not embarrassed to be from the U.S.A.



Sorry!:(

:p i have also realized that some people are like you as well, but I'm just stating my opinion. i don't really know any other place that has rock paper scissors as a national sport. kinda embarrassing to me.

Pshaw, even the Japanese love Rock, Paper, Scissors.

When Takashi Hashiyama, CEO of a Japanese television equipment manufacturer, decided to auction off the collection of Impressionist paintings owned by his corporation, including works by Cézanne, Picasso and van Gogh, he contacted two leading U.S. auction houses, Christie's International and Sotheby's Holdings, seeking their proposals on how they would bring the collection to the market as well as how they would maximize the profits from the sale. Both firms made elaborate proposals, but neither was persuasive enough to get Hashiyama’s business. Willing to split up the collection into separate auctions, Hashiyama asked the firms to decide between themselves who would get the Cézanne's "Large Trees Under the Jas de Bouffan", worth $12-16 million.

The houses were unable to reach a decision. Hashiyama told the two firms to play Rock, Paper, Scissors to decide who would get the rights to the auction, explaining that "it probably looks strange to others, but I believe this is the best way to decide between two things which are equally good".





Oh, and it's a national thing. Since 2002 when the "sport" held national championships there have been 9 Canadian "medalists", 5 American, and 1 British.

I like asian horror quite a bit more than western horror. It's because it's more disturbing than scary. The movies set up the characters really well in the beginning so you connect with them and then throw in a twist right near the end. If you don't have the attention span to last until the good stuff I can see why you wouldn't like it.

I've seen asian horror that I don't like, but often times those movies are sequels being pushed because the original did very well.

You also have to keep in mind that most asian directors aren't making these movies for American's they're making them for themselves and the people around them. What the Japanese find scary, you might not.

I definitely agree.

Fucking let this thread die...It's an incoherent pile of wank which has no basis or grounding - and in fact is just completely wrong.

Bump........

Haha...Damn you! :p