Accepted. Carry on.:)

hmph @ my awsm The Who joke getting no-sold :mad:

Are you calling Pete Townsend a man-whore? Surely not!:D

intense debate, i like it i like it... religion won't be the downfall of society; "organized" religion will be the culprit.

Maybe not Pete Townsend. Definately Roger Daltry, though.

I hate to cut you off, S, but I have to bring this to the table. I think it will fit in with both yours, S, and yours, Pr3ssur3. I want to talk about what I like to call "the false prophets" or "snake oil salesmen" of religions/spiritualities. For this particular rant, I'd like to bitch about one in particular: Billy Graham and his fucked up ministries.

Every now and again I read his messed up collums in the paper, and I get this disturbed disgusted feeling in the pit of my stomach. The reason is that thousands, maybe over a hundred thousand people hang on every word that joker and his flunkies say.

Pr3ssur3, I know how you feel about religion in general, particularly the Christian religion, and S, you affirm that religion cannot be blamed for the people who abuse it. In this case, you're both right. The Billy Graham Ministry has created a terrible paradox.

Okay...

Yesterday I read his collum in which he was giving advice to a woman. Her problem was that her husband was spending more time with leisurely activities amongst his buddies and in front of the television than with her. Mr Graham, probably his fanatical son, Franklin, told the woman that she should consider her own selfishness. He asserted that perhaps that she should figure out what she was doing wrong instead of addressing the husband's complete lack of attentiveness within the marriage.

Today, he preached the complete infallilibility of the Bible. His assertion was that "Who would want to manipulate the word of "God." He also claimed that everything in the Bible was absolutely true, because the Bible says that everything is absolutely true.

I really want to know where this fucker got his seminary degree and where he was educated. I'm assuming that it was on another planet. Some one that stupid should not be trying to educate anyone on anything especially trying to shape their spiritual lives. No one has the answers, especially not these jackasses.

I'm not afraid of them, because they are entirely too stupid to do anything momental. I realize that the Inquisition was pretty fucking stupid too, but the Billy Graham Gang are stupid in a different way.

Thoughts? (Let's keep it too the topic at hand, Pr3ssur3, as in, not all religions, but religious idiots).

Only you.

As a practicing empiricalist who has proved there is no God (argue if you will, prove otherwise) I would assert that since therefore The Bible has no relevance other than as a work of distorted facts and pure fiction then his comments regarding it are entirely wrong.

Therefore if Billy Graham is basing his advice on such a tome, his thoughts on this subject are completely redundant.

Speaking from the point of view of common sense, I would say he sounds chauvinistic for males while hiding behind religion.

I would also say there are tendencies - including within this thread - to refer to academic qualifications or alleged lack of them to pontificate or denounce thought. Remember that degrees and PHDs might indicate competent understanding of a particular subject, but they are not exhaustive and can sterilise and bottleneck ideas as the current curriculum sees fit.

That was very interesting to watch, but very scary to think these people are getting away with such things. You have made me very curious and i think i will be looking into scientology a little bit more. Not with a view to joining I hasten to add. Thanks

That is pretty scary to see not only what they're capable of, but more importantly, some of the things they get away with.