I'm not being "nasty about" "IT"

I just have absoultely no belief in "IT" or any other fairy tales, fables or other "GARBAGE" that so many people personally cling to !!!!!!

No no no no! I didn't mean that you were being nasty about it, I was thinking more of the shit going on in the middle east.

Who IS he or she or whatever?

A kiddie fiddler, if it's the same one.

Speaking of which, "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is just fine for the Catholic church - a paedophile priest is not considered incompetent in his work by his superiors.

You would be better off becoming agnostic, since your active atheism is always going to cause problems with your Christian friends.

Remember - in times of doubt, refer to...

HDC; Thread Id 22829; 6th page; 6th post down; 6 paragraphs; 26/6/06

...for reassurance

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I may sig this at some point, would you mind?

Anyway, VC, if the girl doesn't care enough about you to accept you as who you are, you're better off without her. Sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Anyone who is going to try to change you like that is never going to be happy with you, no matter how much you change.

i don't really know how i stand religous wise. i mean i used to go to church when my mom made me go with my sister. i thought it was so boring and would usually end up falling asleep. and the sunday school classes sucked because i wasn't very social.
now though, i don't go to church, but i kinda believe in god. i mean, i don't pray and i don't depend on him, but i think he's up there.........maybe. with all of the stuff that's happened to me and my family over the years it makes my question whether he's up there or not, doubt it though.




I'M SO CONFUSED.

anyways, if your girlfriend really did love you she wouldn't have dumped you because you wouldn't change your thoughts or beliefs. i know that if someone tried to change me in any way i'd tell him to hit the fucking road.

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Religion has brought me a lot closer to some of my friends, and it has ended other friendships (based on their decisions not to be friends with me because I believe in God). Although I think it is important, I don't think religion should be a factor in deciding who to be in a relationship with.

To clarify agnosticism, you would be taking the stance that God is unknown, or unknowable. Asserting no knowledge of Gods, there are no reasons to believe in them or not to believe in them. The rumour that agnostics must also believe in another 'higher force' is unfounded, since they believe nothing which cannot be demostrated by the senses.

Atheism however is the denial of God, and more an 'alternative' to Christianity. This seems rather fake by comparison, and considered by some as a religion in itself. What is the point in it? 'Rebellion', most likely.

Threads do not get out of hand just because the discussion twists and turns a little - religion is one of the hot topics where it is likely to do so.

The last religion thread has been locked away in that place at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Hoo boy.. My turn...:)

My opinion is very complex and, well, opinionated. Number one, i am an atheist. Without som enice, hard proof, i dont believe. Yes, i have an absolute 100% lack of faith.

Now, I have a great deal of respect for some people with faith. People who have a religious belief that does not interfere with the world around them and helps them out, makes them a better person, gives them hope, whatever. I'm cool with that.


People who wear it like a badge, i cant stand. 8its really nothign to be proud of, so get over it. Its like being proud that you believe wearing green makes you taller. it just is.


Grand-Standing religious moralizers are a blight on the face of the earth and should be eradicated by any means necesarry. This includes the Taliban, Jerry Falwell, and any other religious people that would use their beleifs as an excuse to wage war or hate.

Born Again religious people are pathetic and stupid. they are mostly people who were fuck ups in life that have discovered that tellign other people they are shit makes them feel better about all the bad stuff they feel guilty about. like oh, say, being a straight c student (because dad was only that rich) who used har ddrugs and got a DUI long before he became "reformed" and rose to a position of extreme power because of the people who had a vested interest in his success. Not that we know anyone like that.

Those are the kinds of people who take the "moral high ground" on issues that dont personally affect them AT ALL(like abortion), but "regret" to have to tell people that they did something wrong, like perhaps being close buddies with Kenneth Lay (however you spell that dickhead's name) and having to publically decry the horrific crime he perpetrated, even though deep down inside you applaud him for having the balls to run off with the profits. but then again, not that we know of anyone like that.

Now, to qualify somehting so that everyone thinks that Atheism is not a religion... It is. its not particularly organised, but it is a strongly held belief system that people will defend vehemently and angrily. And i have known people who basically "preached the gospel" of atheism. I hate these people with the same passion i have for all zealots.


So, VC... She could not be more pathetic or wrong. She was "Born Again"? So, she is basically a weak minded moron who just so happened to be in the right place at the right time for those manipulative jerkoffs to mold her weak mind into believeing that if she joins their "cult" that she will be a better person than everyone who hasnt. She is now free to look down on Buddhists, Muslums, hindus, and even people who dont follow her particular sect of christianity. let the Judgement Begin!!


Consider it a blessing. People who become born again just managed to get snagged by a major religion before finding a cult or Scientology. (which is a cult)

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I'm a Christian and while I wouldn't push my religion on anybody I can see where it'd be hard for her. In her eyes the person she loves (you) will end up burning in hell for eternity and maybe that's just too hard for her. You're young, don't worry, I've been engaged 3 times, third was a charm. :)

Im not sure it is correct to call atheism a religion, since the word refers to beliefs in a supernatural agency or superhuman being.

Consider it more of an anti-religion, in that it requires the notion of God in order to exist.

Wow, i will give you that. Doing a search on "definition religion" on google, all of the results but one specifically stated a belief in a divine or supernatural (or at least superhuman) entity.

one said it was interchangeable with "belief system", which is how i was using it.

Why all the long posts?

If someone doesn't like you for who you are fuck 'em.

I'm not having sex with someone who doesn't like me for who I am ever again.

Heres hoping you don't have a falling out with with your blow up dolly you have hiding under your bed. Or your hands. or your dogs tounge. or the boy who lives next, who you claim is just a "friend". or all the stray sheep you come across with their stuck in a fence. or your daddys special family friend who claims he comes around to visit your dad, but spends his whole visit locked away in your bedroom teaching you "biology"

>Snigger!<

Get upset much?

:D

No. cause i love my hand and my hand loves me for who i am

Have sex with it again like last time.

The world is listening.

nope not the world. the police said that only your dna was recovered from the sperm stain they found outside my window. Besides only loners like you refer to jacking off as sex. normal people call it wanking.

I apologise for saying you have sex when in fact you only jack off/wank.

anyway...

VC: don't worry about the girl. If you don't belive, don't worry. She's prolly one of those stupid girls who are convinced that they can change there man. My mom thought the same thing, and now she's stuck with my dad. Need I say more???

On a more religious note: I agree with all of you who stated that religion is based on personal belief and experience. Don't worry if the girl got saved. Just be glad that she can make up her mind on something. If she really loved you, she would have made up her mind that she'd love you no matter what. If you personally belive in God, then thats for you to live with. I'm the only Agnostic in my school (christian bording school), and I've dated lots of good little christian boys. I'm just glad that they dumped me for real reasons, not that I don't except God the way they do.

Oh, and if you go to a church where everyone's judging you, who cares. Your there for your personal realtionship with this God character, not to please them. Thats why there are so many people who worship at home. The only reason I can see for going to a church to worship is that you can learn more, and learn how others belive...

Sorry, I talk to much...

Heh....he said wank.
:D

18 IN ONE YEAR........?!?!?!!!?!?!?!






.......looks like you are the one who needs "saving".




praise the lord

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it won't last long she was problee pressured in to it!
i am a backslider i find nothing anybody says here about christianity offensive, to each his own! so in conclusion it is a phase more than likelee!

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I'm agnostic so if god's ever wondering whether he should let me into heaven or not atleast I can say "Hey, I never said I didn't believe in you" I mean if you ever end up in that situation as an athiest you just look like a dumbass. :D

Anyway... why would you get engaged to someone who's mind can be so easily manipulated? I mean she is converted and breaks up with her fiancee in the span of a couple hours. Sorry to say it, but I think it's you that has the problem.

You're both pretty young, so give it time to let things play out the way they should. Don't jump into marriage, the option will still be there when you have a relationship that you really think can last and does really last. Be engaged for a while, like a year or more. Don't assume that it'll all just get better if you get married, it doesn't. She broke up with you, so that means you guys need to take some time away from each other. If it all works out in the end, wonderful, if it doesn't than it wouldn't have worked anyway. Better to find out these things about people before you get married.

Perhaps true agnostics do not consider themselves as so, since their ignorance to God or no God requires no label or religious/irreligious standing.

Your cool VC.
Good on you for standing ure ground.
The thing with religion should be a personal choice not a forced one.
Ah well...its her loss. :rolleyes:

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Everything has a label :confused:

Define a true agnostic. Maybe my definition isn't the same as yours...

"Someone who believes that the evidence for and against the existence of God is inconclusive."

Ok
 

I'am a Roman Catholic who went to a Born Again Christian high school. Read that again really slowly. Religion is something I've had my whole life. Its a subject I studied while growing up & I've seen it ruin lives & help people who have used it to rebuild lives.
Not only have I been in the situation described at the beginning of this thread but I've been the one who did the breaking up also. I've had women leave me because of a choose in religion I made in college. I went down the satanic rote for 2 years & it was more like a social sewing circle then anything else. Then it all stopped.
I made nice with my parents who are Roman Catholic & everything was great. The problem for me came with the pedophile sex scandals. There was nothing that happened in my local church but it began to make me question everything I had been taught as a kid. About 3 years ago I walked away from the church. I haven't looked back at all.
However let me say that I wouldn't get involved with a lady who was of the born again faith. There was an aweful lot of screwed up people in those churches. After high school & other experiances I avoid them like the plague. Anyhow my 2 cents...

Nice input, Kane. Very insightful and enlightening.

I worship at the church of Dawn Olivia. It's my personal beliefs, made by my mind, which encompasses my universe.
It's pretty sweet. I don't have to tithe.

Everything, perhaps, but if you consider 'agnostics' do not specifically practice anything (unlike atheists, who are thought active in the disbelief in God) yet are labelled so because of their non-recognition or denial of the concept of the supernatural forces, it seems an unnecessary action to need to call them something. You may as well make up a word for someone who is impartial or undecided on milk, or lamb steak.

Having a logical point of view shouldn't mean the nuts can throw nametags at you - unless non-committal types specifically want to stand out from the crowd, of course.

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lmfao at impartial to lamb steak. :p

Actually I do agree with you, it is unnecessary.


(I love how you can just edit posts on the internet if you take offense to something and then seconds later realize your misunderstanding.)

No, they do not deny the supernatural forces (i.e. God), nor do they recognise them. To believe, judge and accept that the existence of God cannot be confirmed or denied does not require a tag since it is only deemed active in the face of believers to the contrary.

P.S.

Your editing is too quick for me.

:D

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:)

I was brought up Lutheran, Missouri Synod Lutheran, which is about as strict as Lutheran Churches get. In later years I went to a born again church, an Assemblies of God church. I went to that church for about 1 1/2 years. I learned a lot but got turned off by it when I started to have things happen to me that weren't coming from God, but from the preachers. I can go into more detail of anyone wants me to, but I'm trying to keep this short. Anyway, I finally stopped going. My boyfriend at the time and I both went there together and stopped together. He was actually the one that started because his dad went there.

My point is, she is going to feel really strong and encouraged by her experience at first, and she will probably learn a lot. Depending on her experiences she'll either stay with it or start to question it and move on.

You can't change her any more than she should try to change you. As I said before, give it time and let it all play out. Maybe you'll find someone new in the mean time, maybe you won't. She may or may not too. But you have to do what's right for you.

Hang in there, you can always vent to all of us when the going gets rough. Of course, we may tease you and make you feel worse. J/K ! :)

Well, so much for keeping this short. :p

:rolleyes: