Cannibal Holocaust info
 

Here is some info I found in the book "Beyond Horror Holocaust" by Chas. Balun:

Pgs. 59-60 "...At the films' world premire, Deodato (Director) was literally chased out of Columbia as rumors spread that he had actually killed native Indios on camera while his crew watched helplessly. Shortly after Cannibal Holocaust primered in his native Italy, a judge ordered the film sequestered. Later, Deodato was convicted under an old law forbidding animal cruelity. He was sentenced to several months in jail, probation, and forced to pay all expenses and legal fees. Deodato's professional reputation was sullied; he became a virtual pariah in the business and went without film work for years after the incident..."


It is also noted as "...what is arguably, The Greatest Cannibal Film Ever Made..."


FYI

I'm still waiting for this tape to arrive :confused: Looking foward to it tho sounds great.

those were definitely live prarie dogs gettin carved up...that much is for sure

i have a tough time seeing this as art ..
lets face it - exploitation is exploitation ..
anything that goes out of its way to shock via ultra realism will cause an uproar.
There are a lot of films 99% of the population have simply not heard about. And hardcore fans of the horor genre are not going to automatically dig this film or want to see it.

this is a movie for people who want to see taboos being broken ..
insane violence and nothing more.
People dont give a shit about the cinematography or the score or the quality of the acting .. they are getting off on the horrific images .. so be it .. i used to think that gross out horror was the coolest thing ever ... but i didnt once try to bullshit myself by looking for any kind of justification ..and then spouting it off to others.

Call it like it is ... its a poorly acted blood and guts film ,, that goes out of its way to shock the audience .. nothing more.

I'm not saying that there isnt a niche for this kind of film ... i wouldnt censor it (bar the animal slayings) but dont candy coat it as something it isnt .. (i'm not saying that you did this Extr3mist .. but others will.)

There is also a small jump from killing animals to killing people.
I find the thought of killing ANYTHING simply for entertainment barbaric, so you cant really blame someone for extrapolating that fact into possible human murder. Almost every serial killer on earth started off with animals before graduating to people.

That aside, just because you (freak) did your homework, and it is "painfully obvious" that this would NEVER happen.... Doesnt mean everyone thinks in those lines, and they are necesarrily stupid for thinking it.

There are still people who believe the jewish holocaust never happened. of course, they have never been to germany....


And we dont have to go too far back to beable to say something like:
"There is no way that guy raped a kid, he is a preist. No preist would ever do something like that..."

Speak for your damn self!!

YOU call it that. YOU.

And actually not all people who like extreme cinema treat it like shit on their shoes like you do.

Some of us DO and CAN give a shit about the score and the cinematography..as well as the extreme content.

Some Exploitation is delightfully fun trash and nothing more...
Some has more to it than JUST the exploitation...
And some is VERY well made from a purely cinematic point of view.

So just because you are narrow minded and can't see anything past the blood and guts, don't think everyone is down at your level.

Mr 42nd you've gone too far! How can you slag off these horror fans! when i first saw CH i thought it was real as well.
Oh hold on i was 13 years old.
Shanks if you're interested i've got Jungle holocaust a kinda prequel to CH. Thats real as well if you want to buy it off me £10. mate.

well, if i was narrow minded i wouldnt have bought it ...
or explored all of the other films i could get my hands on.

I never once treated these films like shit on my shoes .. but i never paraded them arounds like cinematic treasures either.

If you're going to attempt to carry on an intelligent discussion you might want to read whats written and stop putting words and feelings and emotions into others mouths that werent there in the 1st place.

you're coming off as a bit of a prima donna here.

fucking condescending too...
believe it or not - your point of view isnt the definitive one.

YOU might want to remember that last sentence yourself
Really? Says who?

And I would say that this remark (again you seem to also be talking for EVERYONE who watches these films) is treating the films (and those that watch them and like them) as nothing more than worthless shit....

Like I said...speak for your narrowminded self. And as you can see i don't need to put words into y0our mouth they are there already.

Now why don't you and your little chums stop watching these films and do us and yourselves a big fat favour.
As comments like the above show you and your attitude up.

The only person being closed minded here is you, freak.

Since common, polite english doesnt seem to work for you., i will speak for us all and ask you to let it the fuck go.

And remember:
http://stresstest.2y.net/images/forum/retard.jpg

Your stupid little pictures are about the level i have come to expect.

I don't tell me what to do.

I'm not a 'newb' you can kick around..trust me.

But i guess i am speaking to a thick brick wall where most of the people on this Thread are concerned.

Just stick to Freddy guys (and NO...he's not real either).

Extremist makes wonderful points on this film and it's ilk. LEARN from it....And he's more polite than me.
But i really don't care.

Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.

you know Freak, you are your own little sportscar .. you went from ok to twat in 30 seconds flat.

You came in here with some film reviews .. showed that you know your movies .. then started to lecture. Like some benevolent god of horror bestowing his massive film knowledge upon the poor humble unwashed inferior fans.

And like a spoiled fancy-lad in the school playground you took a hissy fit when someone didnt agree with your point of view.
Took an extreme shit on one of our contributing and very decent members ...then threatened to take your ball and go home.

Although you might be the king of where ever you came from before here, i'm no where near impressed with you as you obviously are with yourself.

I guess every horror fan should fall to his/her knees knowing you are out there ... championing the cause - fighting for freedom - defending horror from it's enemies. It might suprise you to know i was able to sleep nights even before you came along.

You've already shown your distain for the forum..
it's not as smart as you and up to your high standards so why are you still here ?
shouldnt you be pulling the wings off of flies somewhere ?


If you want to calm down and act human .. cool.. lets wipe the slate clean and discuss film like guys coming at the same thing from 2 different angles.

If you dont possess that level of maturity .. then ... oh well.

this is the level of discussion i can appreciate.

the point was that jumping down the throat of someone for asking a question was uncalled for, but you seem to think that you are an expert of sorts and that your opinion is somehow the final word. i tried to talk sense, then i resorted to a childish picture.

You are a closed-minded asshole. Kindly fuck off. i am finished with you and this thread.

any art form ... film, fine, music, etc .. is subject to interpretation.
It can reflect exactly what the observer wnats to/is capable of seeing. Like the star wars analogy.
We do often have the benefit of hearing what the director/painter..wanted to portray ... but even then ... is it the truth or what they want to believe or want us to believe.

I struggle with this all the time ... I want to say the Titanic is shit .. and i can articulate why .. but these same reasonings may be why someone else likes the film.

I saw The Core .. and thought it was corn ... and then i heard a review that if you looked at it in a Jules Verne/H G Wells kind of way then it came together .. and it did .. i changed my whole point of view on that film ..

There is no right or wrong opinion... you can give the reasons why a film does or does not work for you but no one cannot provide the definitive answer .. including myself...

God might be able to, but he was out to lunch when I called him - I'll try again later.

Trouble is with films like Titanic, Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbour is they all take liberties with the original subject matter - the creators change facts of history to make for a better story (and to make more money from the disasters/tragedies).

This can be quite revolting at times (step forward, Mr Spielberg), but in some cases (i.e. Titanic), I personally have no problem with it and am happy to be carried along with the romance and action. Of course, none of my family were passengers on that ship when it went down - nor were they in control of driving it, or I may have been more derisive of a film painting, say, my grandfather as an incompetent idiot.

oh hell yeah... real life isnt filmic .. its just not that interesting enough for people without heavy doses of contrived drama - or comedy and making everything neat and tidy.

That was my issue with Titanic ... the 'villian' subplot was - to me - unnessessary and overblown. The regular folk trying to survive was enough movie for me ...
But again, this is what the public demands. I usually find that in pop culture I have different wants and needs from the majority but there you go..

I think it's impossible to get an accurate historical account of anything that happens actually. Ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different stories.
Like autobiographies ... people will embellish the truth every chance they get .. and fill in the blanks with help from others too.

Plust that need to ensure that it's an entertaining read.

I take everything with a grain of salt ...
Hell, i cant remember what i did a week ago - or why.

If i wrote a book about myself it would be the biggest bunch of bullshit you could imagine.

But, to someone else it could be a compelling read! Everyone has their own take/opinion on things. Which is why I never listen to critics (be it film or book) - to me that's just another person's opinion and it could be completely different from my opinion. Case in point - a guy I used to work with absolutely hates John Carpenter's Vampires - I love it.

yep, i'm in the hate camp .. and possibly even for a completely different bunch of reasons from your friend ...

But i'll respect your right to enjoy it :)

How can there be so many replies on this thread?:confused:

It´s just plain stupid!!???

WHAT?! That creature? That idiot who just posted whole Threads of utter garbage?

THIS dickhead is a very decent member?

Well at least those moronic posts he just made show why he thought "CH" was REAL!...
Because he's a fucking idiot.

And so yes....I do have a go at idiots posting garbage and people that then try to justify the idiot and his idiocy!

It's YOU and this forum that has turned into a 'twat'.
And it's because of people who look down their noses at certain films. People who decree that just because THEY can't see past the blood and guts then no one else can.
And because of supposedly drunk morons asking insulting and absurd questions and people defending them!

Look in the mirror!

the irony here is that i took a look at your web page and found 2 things ..

- you and i have a lot in common .. we like a ton of the same things .. the biggest difference is that you you are arrogant and ill tempered and have a lot of maturing to do.

- there seems to be a pattern here .. you dedicated a lot of time and energy to shooting off on a large number of forums where you have had problems with a lot of people ... everywhere you go.

Maybe you'd better have a look in your mirror as well ..
Personally I'm not so fond of my reflection.


It is a pity though ... we'd have a hell of a lot to talk about if you weren't such an ill mannered arrogant self centered self righteous prick.

No...i just seem to be one of the only people on here who it seems is not being blackmailed into defending an idiot and all the shit he spews out now matter what!

And i am on many sites, and many are fine...but there is always some that seem to house morons who only communicate on the internet because in real life no one could stand to be near them for more than 5 seconds.

And no, given your ARROGANT comments towards certain films and those that do appreciate them...we have fuck all in common. Thank Christ.

well so much for that them ...


so why the fuck are you still here ?

Methinks because he likes to get people riled up.

There are critics and there are critics, though - read, say, Empire magazine (UK) and you get a film student mentality raving its glib opinions about the latest flavour-of-the-month actor or high concept movie. This is probably where you're most likely to find disagreements about films like Vampires (which I think is quite underrated for the record).

Read a less fanboy-based publication on the other hand and you can find well constructed, less frenzied reviews full of ideas for the movie in question and less likely to rub you up the wrong way because of a more informed approach to the subject matter - i.e. from those who look at each film on its own merits rather than young bandwagon-jumpers making snidey comparisons left right and centre.

Of course, you can get too highbrow - listen to these old farts dismissing the spaghetti-horrors out of hand and you realise many of the more established critics sadly can't see past Citizen Kane.

I wish I noticed all this shit before this jackass got banned. What a tool!

Hey douchebag! The film kills live animals and has footage of real executions. It's not absurd to wonder if other parts of it went too far too. They were filming in the middle of the jungle with a bunch of savages in the mid 70s. How hard would it be to cut off one of their dicks and get away with it?

They weren't "actors", they were jungle people. And if you can tell me the name of the "actor" that got his dick cut off and 1 other movie he's been in, I'll send you a fuckin' check in the mail right now because you're full of shit.

In fact, I've got money that says you probably haven't even seen this film and are just preaching from you high horse because a film with 'such major distribution' :rolleyes: couldn't possibly kill a savage in the middle of the jungle. Well, why not? They killed plenty of animals and that isn't exactly a socially acceptable thing to put to film, but they did it anyways. That's why it's called an exploitation film. People got exploited.

If you had actually seen this, you wouldnt be ranting like this because you'd probably be wondering the same things that shanks and I were.

Like urge said, Faces of Death is more mainstream than this and that is loaded with footage of people getting killed.

Jackass. :rolleyes:




That's what I woulda said to him if he wasn't banned already.

That made me giggle.....:)

I watched CH again last night...compliments of Netflix. And it is a pretty hard movie to watch. I could see where you might question wether or not some of the scenes where real (penis chop / rapes / flesh eating. Because of the authenticity of the war crime shots and the animal killings this can seriously make your mind wander. I personally dont think any of the footage with the "final five" is true but I guess you never know.

:rolleyes:

or maybe we already do know the truth

..have seen it but cant remember that...but just seen it one time :confused:

Oddly enough in the movie they claim the executions where staged..

I don't know if I'll ever be fully convinced that guy's dick isn't laying out there in the middle of the jungle somewhere.

I was going to think of getting this, but since theres Animal Slaughter I think Ill pass. I just cant watch that.

Don't panic - all the animal killings are faked.

At least there ere some decent/informed discussions about film (although not this thread - considering how it ended up) when 42nd St Freak was about. This forum has turned to total shit in that regard latley and has become more of a place for people to flirt. The Modern Horror Movie section has been dead for ages.

Hmmm, but do you see the contradiction here?

The downfall of threads through total intolerance of differing views is often attributed to erratic posters like the above, where venomous insults are used in place of debate to inflame other members and generally bring down the tone.

Heh heh-do panic cos all the animal killings are real. Real animal killing is a staple of the Italian cannibal sub-genre-just ask Lenzi, Deodato, Martino, et al.



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No, no, no they're not. They're real buddy. You obviously haven't seen this one, because if you had, you'd know they are real.