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Ferox13 12-03-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWickerFan (Post 911406)
I dare say, if it had come to the attention of the Mary Whitehouse clan, it would have made the nasty list for sure.

It nver got a UK VHS release (either did any of the Ilsa moves but they 2 of them got banned from the cinema).

TheWickerFan 12-03-2011 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 911423)
It nver got a UK VHS release (either did any of the Ilsa moves but they 2 of them got banned from the cinema).

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. These films are very hard to come by in the US, though I don't think they've been banned.

leezuki 12-03-2011 08:58 AM

a couple of modern video nasties

a serbian film
august underground

some old ones

the burning moon
guiniea pig movies
schramm
baise moi

i found most of the movies they banned from the video nasties list were crap movies, there were a few good movies but back then they were just getting movies banned left right and centre, when most of them wernt even that bad.

Elvis_Christ 12-12-2011 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWickerFan (Post 911406)
I finally managed to see a Teruo Ishii film, The Joy Of Torture 2 Oxen Split Torture.

Quite fond of Teruo Ishii's stuff. Such vivid imagery and cinematography.

Ferox13 12-13-2011 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWickerFan (Post 911424)
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. These films are very hard to come by in the US, though I don't think they've been banned.

I have the 3 Ilsa films on American DVD (Tigress didn't get a release there).

Do films get banned in the States now? How does it work?

I know the MPAA can refuse a cert but the film can still be released unrated (I know this will affect its profits as many cinemas wouldn't show unrated films and some stores don't carry them either).

TheWickerFan 12-13-2011 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 913165)
I have the 3 Ilsa films on American DVD (Tigress didn't get a release there).

Do films get banned in the States now? How does it work?

I know the MPAA can refuse a cert but the film can still be released unrated (I know this will affect its profits as many cinemas wouldn't show unrated films and some stores don't carry them either).

I'm honestly not sure (maybe Neverending knows the process). I haven't heard of a film being banned outright, but there are struggles sometimes. Eyes Wide Shut took the longest time to get released without the hooded figures standing in front of the orgy activities.

Ferox13 12-13-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWickerFan (Post 913166)
Eyes Wide Shut took the longest time to get released without the hooded figures standing in front of the orgy activities.

Stuff like that usually happens as the distributors try to wrangle outta a NC17.

Elvis_Christ 12-13-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 913165)
Do films get banned in the States now? How does it work?

I don't think so. Like you said they just get refused certificate and get an unrated release or slapped with NC-17. But this may essentially ban it because the distributors may not won't to put the money into releasing it.

A lot of this kinda stuff is harder to get because the smaller companies end up releasing it in limited quantities and often just do one run.

fortunato 12-13-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWickerFan (Post 911406)
I finally managed to see a Teruo Ishii film, The Joy Of Torture 2 Oxen Split Torture.

Ishii's great. I would definitely recommend two other of his films: Horrors of Malformed Men and The Tattooed Swordswoman (aka Blind Woman's Curse). Both really vibrantly imaginative, grotesque and surreal, with great colors and visuals. They're also really funny, in a dark, absurd way. Really great stuff.

Ferox13 12-14-2011 12:07 AM

Ishii's great. I would definitely recommend two other of his films: Horrors of Malformed Men and The Tattooed Swordswoman (aka Blind Woman's Curse). Both really vibrantly imaginative, grotesque and surreal, with great colors and visuals. They're also really funny, in a dark, absurd way. Really great stuff.

fortunato 12-14-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 913264)
Ishii's great. I would definitely recommend two other of his films: Horrors of Malformed Men and The Tattooed Swordswoman (aka Blind Woman's Curse). Both really vibrantly imaginative, grotesque and surreal, with great colors and visuals. They're also really funny, in a dark, absurd way. Really great stuff.

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TheWickerFan 12-29-2011 09:28 AM

Finally saw Caligula, the full uncut version. There were lots of things to admire about it, but the orgy scenes did get rather repetitive.

Fearonsarms 12-30-2011 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWickerFan (Post 914572)
Finally saw Caligula, the full uncut version. There were lots of things to admire about it, but the orgy scenes did get rather repetitive.

I saw it many years ago but have no idea if I saw a cut or uncut version. Is it the orgy scenes that were cut?

paws the great 11-14-2012 03:16 PM

Video Nasties?
 
I really don't know why films like The Evil Dead , Visiting Hours and Night School made this list? Did the British Board of Film Censorship even watch these films? I can understand why some of these films would be considered offensive to some people, but a lot of the these movies are pretty tame!

tallahassee1408 11-14-2012 03:46 PM

um..... wtf?!?!!? i have got to find this list. the british board of film censorship is probably a board of religious extremist that only does missionary and would rather watch rated G movies 24/7 365. i have nothing against religion since i believe in God, but as i say you can believe in God but don't get crazy with it.

newb 11-14-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tallahassee1408 (Post 940668)
um..... wtf?!?!!? i have got to find this list. the british board of film censorship is probably a board of religious extremist that only does missionary and would rather watch rated G movies 24/7 365. i have nothing against religion since i believe in God, but as i say you can believe in God but don't get crazy with it.


http://www.hysteria-lives.co.uk/hyst...nasties_4.html

here ya go

tallahassee1408 11-14-2012 04:36 PM

those aren't even that bad. i realized that most were made in the US. since the UK hates americans i can see why

neverending 11-14-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tallahassee1408 (Post 940668)
um..... wtf?!?!!? i have got to find this list. the british board of film censorship is probably a board of religious extremist that only does missionary and would rather watch rated G movies 24/7 365. i have nothing against religion since i believe in God, but as i say you can believe in God but don't get crazy with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_nasties

Acquaint yourself with some history before you start throwing out rediculous sweeping generalizations.

tallahassee1408 11-14-2012 04:43 PM

sorry. when it comes to censorship and shit like that i get angry. that's why i hate seeing people use the little stars when they are typing a cuss word. or blurring of a nude body part.

neverending 11-14-2012 04:54 PM

You need to get a sense of perspective. The list was compiled 30 years ago, and many of the films originally banned have been released in the UK either with slight cuts, or even without and cuts at all.

Straker 11-14-2012 04:55 PM

In terms of what is still banned/ how much is cut, alot of the list Newb posted is dated now. Most of the 'video nasties' that have been resubmitted have been released either uncut or cut to varying degrees... It's mostly extreme sexual violence and animal torture/ cruelty that gets cut over here, these days. I don't really know alot about the rest of the world, but I would still imagine we are pretty strict. It's only been the last 10 years or so that Evil Dead was released totally uncut, for example.

Alot of the 'credit' for our strict censorship guidelines over the years has to go to our media that will do anything to whip the country into a frenzy...

tallahassee1408 11-14-2012 04:58 PM

yeah 30 years ago people were kinda overprotective to the media.

Straker 11-14-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tallahassee1408 (Post 940672)
those aren't even that bad. i realized that most were made in the US. since the UK hates americans i can see why

They're coming to get you tallahassee.

http://nutshell-movies.com/wp-conten...7h09m58s18.png

Dara 11-14-2012 11:51 PM

Mary Whitehouse was a figure of hate in the Uk .Her views didnt represent those of the general Uk population.I dont think she had a hatred of the US ~ she was just a massive mentalist!

Ferox13 11-14-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tallahassee1408 (Post 940668)
um..... wtf?!?!!? i have got to find this list. the british board of film censorship is probably a board of religious extremist that only does missionary and would rather watch rated G movies 24/7 365. i have nothing against religion since i believe in God, but as i say you can believe in God but don't get crazy with it.

Nothing of the sort - the 1984 VRA bill was hastily put together in response the reaction to the Media outrage at 'violent horror films'. Something had to be done to protect the children..

I always fell sorry for the poor cunt from the company who distributed (the already cut) Nightmares in a Damaged Brain in the Uk. He got 6 months for his trouble.

And the VRA was nothing compared to the bill that David Alton tryed to get in after the Venables/Chucky Media circus (and that did have Christian/religious motivations).

fortunato 11-15-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by paws the great (Post 940666)
I really don't know why films like The Evil Dead , Visiting Hours and Night School made this list? Did the British Board of Film Censorship even watch these films? I can understand why some of these films would be considered offensive to some people, but a lot of the these movies are pretty tame!

You're absolutely right. They didn't watch a lot of the films that they banned; often they would judge them based on promotional materials or the VHS cover. This was one of the myriad criticisms brought against Whitehouse and her cronies during the Video Nasties craze, but of course they prevailed.

Ferox13 11-16-2012 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fortunato (Post 940803)
You're absolutely right. They didn't watch a lot of the films that they banned; often they would judge them based on promotional materials or the VHS cover. This was one of the myriad criticisms brought against Whitehouse and her cronies during the Video Nasties craze, but of course they prevailed.

You're quite right - Whitehouse admitted many time that she wouldn't watch such filth (how ever SHe had nothing to do with the BBFC).

There is also some confusion here between the BBFC and the famous video nasty list. As far as I remember - the banning of the films had nothing to do with with British Board of Film Censors. It was the DPP who made raids, confiscated tapes and compiled the infamous list.

I agree with fortunato to some extent that they would judge them based on promotional materials or the VHS cover. (add to this title too) but this was for films that were confiscated in raids. The ones that appear on the list had to be prosecuted in turn and of course the material was watched.

The reason The Evil Dead was one the list as it was one of the big names in the newspaper headlines (the media had a huge effect on the whole shitstore) - If I recall the Rami movie went thru a long process of trials before being deemed 'obscene' and subsequently banned.

Of all the films prosecuted 'Forest of Fear' of the one I never understood.

paws the great 11-16-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 940810)

Of all the films prosecuted 'Forest of Fear' of the one I never understood.

Yeah, there's not much gore or T&A in it. Most people would find it pretty boring.

Fearonsarms 11-20-2012 03:43 AM

I recommend that people watch Video Nasties: The Definitive Guide to get the full story of what happened by the people directly involved in this fiasco.

FryeDwight 07-02-2014 02:16 AM

"Video Nasties"-Any UK members recollections?
 
My wife and I watched a documentary VIDEO NASTIES (2010) that focused on the attempts to regulate gruesome late 70's/early 80's slasher films (DRILLER KILLER, I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE, ZOMBIE, CANNIBAL FEROX, NIGHTMARE IN A DAMAGED BRAIN, etc) in Great Britain and Wales mostly. Lots of film clips, DAILY MAIL excerpts and footage/interviews with Mary Whitehouse, Geoffrey Robertson PC, Sir Graham Bright and Martin Barker among others.
It seemed the main objective was to prevent young children from seeing the films, but it appeared an excessive amount of energy was spent and a lot of heavy handed force (busting and jailing a video shop owner, for example) was used. While I agree a six year old should not watch some of the films listed, it seems that making the films forbidden fruit made them more enticing.
The whole thing reminded me a lot of when the PMRC started their attempt to place stickers on albums to prevent young people from listening, but probably helped those bands get more publicity. Also, both the US and UK had real ultra conservative Government at the time with both Reagan and Thatcher in office.
Do any of you remember these times? Would be interesting to hear what you have to say.

Ferox13 07-02-2014 01:30 PM

I was around (though) young for the first video nasty media panic and also (which I remember much better) - the Witch Hunt that followed the Jamie Bulger murder.

I actually wrote my dissertation in college on the Horror films being used as scapegoats in Media Moral Panics.


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