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hammerfan 09-04-2013 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw Killer (Post 956185)
I still have to see the V/H/S movies, been intrigued to see both of them.

I saw the first one, thought it was entertaining enough. Still have to see the second one.

Bren 09-04-2013 04:34 AM

Dawn of the Dead. IMO .. the original has a wtf scene involving a bunch of biker gang members which has no valid reason to be in the film and is quite silly.The new version is much better I think.

Sicknero 09-04-2013 05:00 AM

I watched V/H/S 1 and 2 not long ago. I thought they were both pretty good fun and would have a hard time picking a favourite.

Both have some good sub-stories, though I didn't really click with the Ring-style death by video thingy...

In some ways I personally preferred 1 - the found footage in 2 seemed a bit too contrived in places and occasionaly spoiled the flow/immersion for me.

Both very good films anyway imo, some of it quite inventive and with a few moments of (unintentional?) hilarity. I did think the last segment of 2 was a poor choice. Enjoyable enough but guys in Roswell-style alien suits are never going to be frightening really. Or not in this anyway.

Jigsaw Killer 09-04-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bren (Post 956195)
Dawn of the Dead. IMO .. the original has a wtf scene involving a bunch of biker gang members which has no valid reason to be in the film and is quite silly.The new version is much better I think.


Are you referring to the Dawn OTD remake there?

Haifisch 09-04-2013 04:57 PM

I liked the new Dawn of the Dead more than the original as well. I never thought I'd find someone who agrees with me.
As for actual sequels, though...hmm...
I liked Hostel Part 2 more than the first. I thought it was way more satisfying and entertaining. The first was decent enough, but I expected more from it.
I also find Saw 2 to be a criminally underrated sequel. It had one of the best twist endings in the entire series, and I liked how more people were involved in the main trap.
Evil Dead 2 is not only my favorite from its franchise, but one of my favorite horror movies of all time. I'm not sure if it counts, though, since it's technically a remake.
Hellbound: Hellraiser 2 is another one I find underrated. A lot of people hated the finale, but I had no qualms with it. The film holds a special place in my heart for being the first ever Hellraiser movie I watched. I saw it back when I was 11, and it left an impression on me.
Subspecies 2 is miles above its predecessor. I found the first one to be an absolute bore, but from start to finish I enjoyed the hell out of the second.
Also, I'd like to make mention of my favorite prequels. Puppet Master 3: Toulon's Revenge was my favorite in the PM series. There was more suspense, more personality, and you can never go wrong with a movie that involves killing Nazis.
I don't know how many of you consider Planet of the Apes to be horror, but Rise of the Planet of the Apes is one of my all time favorite films. I think it has its place in the horror genre, being a cautionary tale about man's self-destructive nature.

Jigsaw Killer 09-05-2013 02:54 AM

I remember seeing the first two or three Subspecies films as a kid, I sort of seem to remember liking the second the best from my memory.

Hapexamendios 09-05-2013 01:27 PM

I recently watched the first 3 Universal "Frankenstein" movies and I think each is better than the one before. Especially Son of Frankenstein which is really well paced and structured.

Jigsaw Killer 09-05-2013 05:03 PM

I can't remember if I even saw the Frankenstein sequels, been so long since I saw the old Universal Horror films.

ozzy554 04-04-2014 05:51 AM

Phantasm 2

Friday the 13th parts 2, 4, 6

Bride of frankenstein/Son of frankenstein

Day of the dead, Dawn of the dead

Silence of the lambs

The devil's Rejects

I don't know if this counts has horror but The toxic avenger 4

maniac cop 2

Leprechaun 2, 3

Wrong turn 2

28 weeks later

FryeDwight 04-05-2014 02:45 AM

I liked 28 WEEKS LATER myself.
Also THE MUMMY'S HAND (1940-actually moves compared to the Karloff film), REVENGE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1958), BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1935-still love the original too) and DRACULA'S DAUGHTER (1936).

The Villain 04-06-2014 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ozzy554 (Post 967133)
Phantasm 2

Friday the 13th parts 2, 4, 6

Bride of frankenstein/Son of frankenstein

Day of the dead, Dawn of the dead

Silence of the lambs

The devil's Rejects

I don't know if this counts has horror but The toxic avenger 4

maniac cop 2

Leprechaun 2, 3

Wrong turn 2

28 weeks later

Does Silence of The Lambs really count? Was it supposed to connect with Manhunter or were they supposed to be separate films because i thought Red Dragon was the Manhunter of that series, you know since it was the actual first one. Red Dragon was a prequel so that doesn't really count as Silence being a sequel.

a stranger 04-06-2014 06:59 AM

Creepshow 2

Kandarian Demon 04-06-2014 11:46 AM

Definitely Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Better acting, better story, more depth to the characters... just a much better movie than the original.

Ferox13 04-07-2014 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967206)
Definitely Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Better acting, better story, more depth to the characters... just a much better movie than the original.

Has the world gone mad....

The Villain 04-07-2014 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967206)
Definitely Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Better acting, better story, more depth to the characters... just a much better movie than the original.

You're definitely in the minority there bro

Kandarian Demon 04-07-2014 07:40 AM

It's just an opinion, guys... I realise that TCM is a classic, and that it was extreme for it's time. I'm not saying the original was crap! But it doesn't have much of a story, and it ends just as it starts to get good. The sequel? That was my first step towards vegetarianism, I couldn't eat meat for days after watching it for the first time. I've seen much worse since then, but at the time it was just about the most disturbing movie I had ever seen, and that included the original.

The Villain 04-07-2014 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967228)
It's just an opinion, guys... I realise that TCM is a classic, and that it was extreme for it's time. I'm not saying the original was crap! But it doesn't have much of a story, and it ends just as it starts to get good. The sequel? That was my first step towards vegetarianism, I couldn't eat meat for days after watching it for the first time. I've seen much worse since then, but at the time it was just about the most disturbing movie I had ever seen, and that included the original.

You're entitled to your opinion and no one should make you feel otherwise. Personally I'm surprised by it and don't agree because to me TCM is one of the most disturbing, scary films I've ever seen. To your point on not having a story I think it had a really good one and the abrubt ending fit with the movies blunt delivery.

Ferox13 04-08-2014 07:37 AM

Though I did like Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, it was very campy and played for laughs a lot of the time. Leatherface having a love interest wasn't a good idea either.

Didn't they pretty much do the Granpa scene all over again in it too?

shadyJ 04-08-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967206)
Definitely Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Better acting, better story, more depth to the characters... just a much better movie than the original.

I never realized that an opinion could actually be wrong, but here we are...

Sculpt 04-08-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967206)
Definitely Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Better acting, better story, more depth to the characters... just a much better movie than the original.

Hi Kanda! I just want to make sure... are you talking about TCM2 1986, right? I would agree TCM2 had a more elaborate story, characters and acting... but towards what end, we might disagree.

IMO, I thought a lot of the acting in TCM2 seemed like acting... a bit cartoonish. In contrast to TCM1, where the characters were simple, but followed the documentarian/vérité format of film. I thought TCSM1 displayed the villains as real people who ate people. They were deranged in a simple immature way, but they didn't physically torture people. In TCM2, it seemed like the film was glorifying them, they seemed more cartoonish, smarter, witty, like they wanted to torture, and unbelievable. I don't even remember any of the non-villain characters. It was a black comedy, that I thought was utterly without humor... in the way I wouldn't be laughing while watching TCSM1, because what was happening was so despicable. After seeing TCM2 on the big screen, I wished I hadn't -- I wondered if Hopper was making fun of people who'd be interested in "TCM" subject... so as to be ironic. I've never read Hopper say anything of the sort. It just seemed sardonic in a mean-spirited way; but more so, I wasn't entertained.
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You're definitely in the minority there bro

Actually, Kanda isn't a bro, she's a sis.
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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967228)
It's just an opinion, guys... I realise that TCM is a classic, and that it was extreme for it's time. I'm not saying the original was crap! But it doesn't have much of a story, and it ends just as it starts to get good. The sequel? That was my first step towards vegetarianism, I couldn't eat meat for days after watching it for the first time. I've seen much worse since then, but at the time it was just about the most disturbing movie I had ever seen, and that included the original.

I think the abrupt ending was part of the vérité-ish format: you swoop in and watch what happens, and swoop out. The unresolved issue (story) is part of the deep seated horror of it. I know you're not slamming TCM1. I'm not saying I prefer those type of movies, just that is was self-consistent and effective doing it.
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You're entitled to your opinion and no one should make you feel otherwise. Personally I'm surprised by it and don't agree because to me TCM is one of the most disturbing, scary films I've ever seen. To your point on not having a story I think it had a really good one and the abrubt ending fit with the movies blunt delivery.

Agree on the ending.
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Originally Posted by shadyJ (Post 967261)
I never realized that an opinion could actually be wrong, but here we are...

It's not a wrong opinion, ShadyJ, just a different one. HDC members try to be very respectful of each other, especially in the area of divergent opinions. If everyone agreed, what would be the point in posting at all?

The Villain 04-08-2014 04:17 PM

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Actually, Kanda isn't a bro, she's a sis.

Oops sorry Kandarian, i didn't know that.

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It's not a wrong opinion, ShadyJ, just a different one. HDC members try to be very respectful of each other, especially in the area of divergent opinions. If everyone agreed, what would be the point in posting at all?

Totally agree. No one here should ever make someone feel like they're opinion is wrong or stupid. You have every right to like what you want just as we have every right to disagree respectfully.

Baron Von Marlon 04-08-2014 09:15 PM

It's nice to see there are still places online where people treat eachother with respect.
On most movie sites I visit people seem to have a real hard time understanding that there are people with a different taste in movies than themselves.
Also applies to music.
How does that saying go? One man's trash is another man's treasure?

Sculpt 04-09-2014 11:53 AM

There aren't many sequels I've seen that I liked better than the original.

The Road Warrior (mad max 2)
Spiderman 2
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
Evil Dead 2
Last Crusade>Temple
Goldfinger>Russia/Dr No

I liked Alien, Predator, Night of the Living Dead, Frankenstein, Return of the Living Dead and Terminator either better or about as much as the sequels. There's quite a few others have listed that I haven't seen.

Kandarian Demon 04-09-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 967281)
Hi Kanda! I just want to make sure... are you talking about TCM2 1986, right?

Yes, that's the one.

Btw I think that first impressions has a LOT to do with how we feel about a movie, even when we re-watch it years later. I'm just about 37, so a bit too young to have seen TCM when it was released - I can easily imagine that it MUST have been very disturbing then, if I compare it to other movies from that time. In the same way - TCM 2 was one of the first horror movies I saw after my parents stopped censoring what I could or couldn't watch, and I'm sure that influenced my opinion too.

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Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 967281)
I thought TCSM1 displayed the villains as real people who ate people. They were deranged in a simple immature way, but they didn't physically torture people. In TCM2, it seemed like the film was glorifying them, they seemed more cartoonish, smarter, witty, like they wanted to torture, and unbelievable.

The thing is that as cartoonish as they were, I found especially the older brother to be much creepier. The other brothers, you'd know on sight to stay away from them, and they were a bit limited by their low intelligence... but the older one? He was the one who could blend in with the rest of us, but he was probably much more disturbed than his brothers combined. That's something that always gets to me in a horror movie. Leatherface is a scary character too, but you wouldn't accidentally invite him home for a cup of tea.


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Oops sorry Kandarian, i didn't know that.

Don't worry about it, I've been called much worse ::big grin::

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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)

I very much agree with this one, which is my all time favourite Star Trek... anything. Khan happens to be one of my all time favourite villains, too... Ricardo Montalban did an amazing job playing that character.

By the way... another sequel I think is better than the original, and this one might raise a few eyebrows too:

Hellraiser II

I love the first one too - but the second one just creeped me out so much more (especially Dr. Channard!), and visually I think it's almost a little work of art. I absolutely loved the first 4 movies, but after that... probably the franchise with the worst sequels ever.

xX_StarChild_Xx 04-09-2014 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 967332)

Hellraiser II

So, I am not the only one. :) This movie gave me nightmares, and I believe it is the Hellraiser film that most fully embodied the idea behind the films. The surrealist imagry, gonzo violence, and Sadomasachistic tone....a little gift for the deranged in all of us.

Kandarian Demon 04-09-2014 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xX_StarChild_Xx (Post 967346)
So, I am not the only one. :) This movie gave me nightmares, and I believe it is the Hellraiser film that most fully embodied the idea behind the films. The surrealist imagry, gonzo violence, and Sadomasachistic tone....a little gift for the deranged in all of us.

Yep... and I also think it's the one where they used the Pinhead character most effectively.

That scene with the guy who is trying to cut out the maggots from his body... it's one of the few scenes from a horror movie that I just won't ever "get used to". And like I mentioned earlier, Dr. Channard... there's just something incredibly disturbing about him, and for some reason, that sound he makes really gives me the creeps ::big grin::

Jigsaw Killer 04-16-2014 09:04 PM

I must chime in and say nobody is wrong for having a controversial opinion like TCM2 being better than the first, it's all a matter of personal taste and preference. Heck, I happen to prefer TCM3 to the original myself as well as the 2003 remake and it's prequel, though with that said I respect the original for it's legacy and influence.

HorrorHound9 05-04-2014 12:41 AM

Has to be I Spit On Your Grave
 
Yes, it was a long time between films, thus more of a reason why was one was in the "so bad its (almost) good variety and another in the "this totally rocks my world" for the revenge horror sub-genre.

haven't seen the remake? Here's some pics, etc

http://wickedhorror.com/horror-revie...-sexy-revenge/

Ferox13 05-04-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw Killer (Post 967572)
I must chime in and say nobody is wrong for having a controversial opinion like TCM2 being better than the first, it's all a matter of personal taste and preference. Heck, I happen to prefer TCM3 to the original myself as well as the 2003 remake and it's prequel, though with that said I respect the original for it's legacy and influence.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bP6k59dMHB...ps9177ab07.png

Jigsaw Killer 05-05-2014 08:43 PM

It's all purely personal taste...

lucioargento 05-08-2014 01:27 PM

Well nobody's gonna agree with this but I LOVE Cabin Fever 2! Well better than the first.
And that's my only one for me where the sequel is better than the original. Phantasm 2 does come close though.......

MichaelMyers 05-08-2014 02:29 PM

I believe Friday the 13th III to be superior to either of its predecessors.

Jigsaw Killer 06-10-2014 02:17 PM

I may like Paranormal Activity 2 slighty more than the first, I went through the series pretty recently and it held up quite well.

metternich1815 06-10-2014 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw Killer (Post 971454)
I may like Paranormal Activity 2 slighty more than the first, I went through the series pretty recently and it held up quite well.

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

The first film was released in 2009. That's not that long ago. The reason I say that is that when people say something like "I went through the series...it held up quite well", that usually implies that it has held up good despite being old. Personally, I think the first was far and away the best in the series. The first two sequels were not pretty good, but the first was brilliant. The fourth one was terrible, the fifth was better than the fourth, but not as good as I expected. At least it did not take itself seriously. I think the fact they introduced time travel is evidence of that. Overall, it's not a bad series though.

Triombies 06-11-2014 10:47 AM

Aliens.
Army of Darkness.
The Devil's Rejects.
Dawn of the Dead.

Jigsaw Killer 06-12-2014 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by metternich1815 (Post 971464)
*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

The first film was released in 2009. That's not that long ago. The reason I say that is that when people say something like "I went through the series...it held up quite well", that usually implies that it has held up good despite being old. Personally, I think the first was far and away the best in the series. The first two sequels were not pretty good, but the first was brilliant. The fourth one was terrible, the fifth was better than the fourth, but not as good as I expected. At least it did not take itself seriously. I think the fact they introduced time travel is evidence of that. Overall, it's not a bad series though.


I liked them all and even 4 was better than I remembered. I find 1 and 2 are pretty close for my favorite of the series.

BloodSweatAndFears 06-13-2014 08:07 PM

I liked the TCM remake in 03 best

Jigsaw Killer 06-20-2014 07:42 PM

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I liked the TCM remake in 03 best


Not a sequel, though.

Jigsaw Killer 07-20-2014 12:34 AM

The Purge: Anarchy is an instant addition to any superior sequels list. Totally blew away the original.

Giganticface 07-21-2014 09:27 PM

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The Purge: Anarchy is an instant addition to any superior sequels list. Totally blew away the original.

I agree, it was better, but didn't think it was amazing. Entertaining though, and without the "no you di'nt" moments that made the original a bit hard to swallow.


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Originally Posted by lucioargento (Post 968792)
Well nobody's gonna agree with this but I LOVE Cabin Fever 2! Well better than the first.
And that's my only one for me where the sequel is better than the original. Phantasm 2 does come close though.......

I like the original better, but agree the sequel is underrated, and really super freakin gross.


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