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The Villain 07-29-2012 05:41 AM

Pretty funny and honestly if it had ended that way i'm sure a lot more people would be happier

_____V_____ 08-14-2012 11:22 AM

http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/pro...weyland-video/


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Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

Well, what do we have here. Amidst all the discussion on Prometheus, fans have seemed to miss a clue that continues the story beyond what we see in this movie.

MovieViral points out of that if you stay to the very end of the credits, there is a Weyland Corp tag (not a scene, just a logo - seen above) that includes the date 10. 11. 12. prominently displayed.

One of the key components is a new video, a short 30-second video featuring a young Peter Weyland (played by Guy Pearce) from the TED 2023 Talk. In it, he only says one line: "I am a law only for my kind, I am no law for all." But there's also the tag on the video itself: Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The title refers to the book by German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. "Much of the work deals with ideas such as the 'eternal recurrence of the same', the parable on the 'death of God', and the 'prophecy' of the Übermensch," it states.

The website also features a 3D render of a book with the title written on it "What is Great in Man is That He is a Bridge and Not an End." It's another quote from Nietzsche's book Thus Spoke Zarathustra, which all of this must be heavily connected to, given the numerous references so far. Plus, for everyone who has now seen Prometheus, all of these connections are starting to make sense. Weyland wants to meet his maker and wants to support a voyage to meet these gods, whoever they may be, since he is in search of power as well.

But what does 10.11.12 really mean?

We're not entirely sure yet. The site has five "modules", currently only at "1-A1", so we may have four more of these to go through, plus four more months until October anyway.
Check out - http://www.whatis101112.com/

_____V_____ 08-15-2012 03:28 AM

ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
(About 35 minutes of deleted footage)
  • * ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
    * T’IS THE SEASON [0:58]
    * OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
    * SKIN [0:42]
    * WE’RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
    * STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
    * HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
    * DAVID’S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
    * JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
    * A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
    * FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
    * THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
    * FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
    * PARADISE [5:05]

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/AVV292368/

Would it be added into the Uncut version on DVD/BD? More importantly, does it add a bit more clarity to the film's proceedings?

IMO, 35 minutes is a pretty heavy cut out of the 2 hr. 4 mins. (final) length of the film. (considering the last 3 deleted scenes, each one pretty long).

Let's wait and see.

_____V_____ 08-15-2012 04:05 AM

Interesting read - http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/

All who have seen the film already should read it.

_____V_____ 09-13-2012 11:05 AM

Moviefone have caught up with James Cameron, primarily to talk about Titanic 3D arriving on disc, and they asked him his views on Ridley Scott’s return, of sorts, to the franchise they both have a vested interest in.

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“I thought it was great”, Cameron said of Prometheus. “I thought it was Ridley returning to science fiction with gusto, with great tactical performance, beautiful photography, great native 3D. There might have been a few things that I would have done differently, but that’s not the point, you could say that about any movie.”

Clearly stating that he would never consider returning to the world of Alien himself now, Cameron did add that “Prometheus is a film I saw twice, and I thought about it ahead of time. The first time I would just enjoy it, go for the ride, not be too analytical and the second time I would allow myself to be a little more analytical about, you know, where the lights were and how they lit the shots with all the people in the helmets, how they probably had to do CG faceplates like we did on Avatar, things like that. But, sometimes, so that I preserve a fun, fan-like viewing experience, I won’t get into that level. I’ll just go for the ride, like, consciously.”
http://news.moviefone.com/2012/09/06...n_1861572.html

Posher778 09-13-2012 05:25 PM

I'd like to say that i'm very happy Cameron and Scott are respectful of each other's work. I'd hate to see a dumb rivalry over 2 great directors.

Having said that

Prometheus > Avatar x100




Also I just realized both directors have firstnamelastnames.

realdealblues 09-14-2012 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 934231)
You need to watch it as a standalone film, separate from the Alien franchise, to appreciate it a bit more, specially the questions it leaves you with. Think of it as a spin-off.

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Watched Prometheus again last night. My 6th or 7th viewing, and I love it a wee bit more again. As for the questions, all answers are given in the movie if watched carefully, IMO. I still say it's a great sci-fi film with a dash of surreality.

I always watch movies as "stand alone films" so that they get a fair opinion. The story itself was fine but like most movies today, I was left not caring about most of the characters. Most of them are "fodder" and other ones are either too stupid or mean spirited enough that you want to see them get killed anyway.

I also didn't really like how a grey octopus looking creature mixes with a body builder looking pale man to come out as a black "Alien" style creature. I didn't really care for the look of the Engineers themselves. Why body builders with 6 pack abs?...lol. They looked like comic book superheroes or supervillians. I did like their exo-suit, but their actual design I thought was cheesy.

The whole philosophical ideals of the film were fine. The effects with the spaceship were great and virtual map of the cave was neat.

But it didn't really offer me anything new. After a half hour I knew the girl and the android would survive. I knew the old man would be on the ship after they played his hologram. I knew the engineers wouldn't be friendly. I knew the engineer wasn't dead after the spaceship crashes. I knew the octopus looking thing was still in the lifeboat. I was never really left "wondering" what was going to happen. It was really pretty straight forward.

Like I said, it's not a bad movie. But I also don't think it was anything I hadn't seen before.

_____V_____ 09-14-2012 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by realdealblues (Post 934235)
I always watch movies as "stand alone films" so that they get a fair opinion. The story itself was fine but like most movies today, I was left not caring about most of the characters. Most of them are "fodder" and other ones are either too stupid or mean spirited enough that you want to see them get killed anyway.

I have to reluctantly agree that supporting characters aren't strong in the film, an attribute which I blame the script writer on. Really memorable supporting characters come from strong scripts (Alien, Aliens, Predator, From Dusk Till Dawn, etc.) so Lindelof did let everyone down there. That being said, the main characters were all strong - Shaw, David, Vickers, Holloway, Janek, even old man Weyland was depicted and written well.

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Originally Posted by realdealblues (Post 934235)
I also didn't really like how a grey octopus looking creature mixes with a body builder looking pale man to come out as a black "Alien" style creature. I didn't really care for the look of the Engineers themselves. Why body builders with 6 pack abs?...lol. They looked like comic book superheroes or supervillians. I did like their exo-suit, but their actual design I thought was cheesy.

The moon, LV-223, was a base for the Engineers' experiments. The pyramid housed some of their successful and some not-so-successful ones (like the Hammerpede). Needless to say, the continuous experimentation and the dumping ground of the sub-planet (or moon) had some very curious stuff contained in the cargo area of the underground ship. Goo in the containers looked similar but behaved differently.
I suspect Holloway was mutating into something else (maybe even into an Engineer) after getting infected by David. And what kind of DNA strands did he pass into the sterile Shaw which resulted in her getting pregnant and giving birth to that monstrosity within 24 hours? Which means there exists a connection between the early xenomorphs and the Engineers, probably to be shown in the sequel. That could also explain the "altar"-ish scene of the xenomorph inside the pyramid's inner chamber (the one with the face).

The look of the Engineers was clear - they were shown to be a superior race than man, a "super-man" or super being of sorts, hence the close resemblance to humans, yet the super-sized, beefy, body structure. I wonder if the title Prometheus refers to them now, instead of the humans - the ones who stole the "fire from the gods" (ability to give life) and now, pursued to be prosecuted/punished by "the gods", are forced to take their "gift" away. The early script (and story) had this angle covered pretty strongly, but after it got leaked to the press they were hard-pressed to make changes to it which made all the connections seem a lot more subtle. I personally loved the original script (which you can check here - http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=56)

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Originally Posted by realdealblues (Post 934235)
The whole philosophical ideals of the film were fine. The effects with the spaceship were great and virtual map of the cave was neat.

But it didn't really offer me anything new. After a half hour I knew the girl and the android would survive. I knew the old man would be on the ship after they played his hologram. I knew the engineers wouldn't be friendly. I knew the engineer wasn't dead after the spaceship crashes. I knew the octopus looking thing was still in the lifeboat. I was never really left "wondering" what was going to happen. It was really pretty straight forward.

Like I said, it's not a bad movie. But I also don't think it was anything I hadn't seen before.

Admit it, how many films have we seen till now which have the main character(s) killed off before the end? Only Alien hints at this, with Dallas taking center stage (and Tom Skeritt getting first billing and being more recognisable than Sigourney Weaver back then) and getting killed mid-way through the film. It's pretty easy to deduce who are the main characters and who might survive till the end (although David isn't exactly a survivor, seeing as he's only a decapitated head controlling a spaceship by the end of the film).
David was reporting back regularly to someone, and that someone wasn't Vickers. Safe to assume Weyland was in the equation, somewhere. No surprises there.
The surviving Engineer didn't attack the crew rightaway. What David said to it made him behave the way he did. What did David say? Still a matter of speculation, but presses report that he said (on behalf of Weyland) "This man here (Weyland) believes you can give him the blessing of life immortal" which instantly made two things clear to the Engineer - 1) David wasn't human, or he would have asked for immortal life for himself, and 2) Humans had finally made it to their star-mapped destination but not to meet their creators the Engineers, but in a selfish quest for eternal life. That could be an explanation for it's hostility, and it's renewed conviction to destroy life on Earth.
The alien spaceship was a pretty sturdy and strong craft. Even after Prometheus collides head-on into it and crumbles into a gigantic explosion, we see the alien spaceship suffer minimal/no damage as it nose-dives towards the surface. And the Engineer was pretty well-strapped into his control chair/pod when the spaceship started lifting, so it's survival (even when one side of it's face had suffered damage) was a given.
Obviously the alien squid was inside the surgical chamber. It was taken out of Shaw (and possibly stored in a container or something) and it grew into large proportions, just like the original Alien xenomorph. My grudge with this is something else - upon detecting an alien being which came from Shaw's abdomen, the computers of the ship should have quarantined it immediately. Either this facility was not present in that surgical pod, or the computers failed to recognise it as an alien being, seeing as how it came out from a human's body. But still, it was a glaring flaw in the continuity, since we are led to believe that the technology of that time was very, very ahead, almost on par with Alien's timeline.

The film is pretty strong technically and direction-wise. Where it lacked was a slightly more refined script and treatment of the minor details. But that can be attributed to hasty changes made (by Damon Lindelof) to the initial script written by Jon Spaihts which got leaked, and which ended in this treatment which we see as this final product. Still, the deleted scenes (of over 45 minutes) which will come packed into the DVD/BD release of the film should add a bit more explanation. And Scott himself has promised "answers, and a better, taut, tight treatment" for Prometheus 2: Paradise, so let's look forward to that as well.

Check out this thread - http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61116

realdealblues 09-14-2012 10:13 AM

V...I would hate to go against you at trivia...lol. I know years, directors, actors and maybe a few details but you know all the specs :-)

I'll have to check out the original script.

I really only thought Shaw, David & Captain Janek were strong characters. I didn't feel Vickers or Holloway really added much. Shaw's character could have been both parts (Holloway & Shaw) with someone else as the "infectee/love interest. Vickers didn't really do anything but say I'm in charge and then have no one pay attention to her.

It was better than your average movie and would watch it again, but it just didn't really have that big of an impact on me I guess. I'm glad you really like it though and it stirs something in you. No one around me really has much passion for film so it's nice to have someone really express what they like about something.

_____V_____ 09-14-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by realdealblues (Post 934257)
V...I would hate to go against you at trivia...lol. I know years, directors, actors and maybe a few details but you know all the specs :-)

I'll have to check out the original script.

I really only thought Shaw, David & Captain Janek were strong characters. I didn't feel Vickers or Holloway really added much. Shaw's character could have been both parts (Holloway & Shaw) with someone else as the "infectee/love interest. Vickers didn't really do anything but say I'm in charge and then have no one pay attention to her.

It was better than your average movie and would watch it again, but it just didn't really have that big of an impact on me I guess. I'm glad you really like it though and it stirs something in you. No one around me really has much passion for film so it's nice to have someone really express what they like about something.

There are several aspects to Vickers's character which are not immediately evident in the first viewing - why she is the way she is, what kind of a relation she shares with Weyland, why she is trying desperately to show that she is in charge while all the time the real "Captain" of the entire mission is David. Old man Weyland is obviously disappointed on not having a son to run his empire after him, and so Meredith is left running things "inside a boardroom" as some sort of a Assistant MD of sorts, while Weyland proclaims that David is "the closest thing to having a son". One of the reasons why David's programming involves following Weyland's orders implicitly - the perfect son for the "perfect" Dad.

The 3 key scenes for this - Weyland's virtual image addressing the crew, Meredith and Weyland inside Weyland's chamber, and a short interaction between David and Elizabeth just before they leave to meet the final Engineer sleeping in his cryo tube.

Holloway, as a character, is essential to the focus of the film. He's the more impressionable of the two, and unlike Shaw, he was more interested in knowing what exactly they were going to seek. He wasn't exactly sure they were going to be the makers, rather than finding a new planet with a new race, possibly the point from where humans evolved. His immense disappointment is amply evident by 2 scenes - when he approaches the "altar" on the wall and sees the sarcophagus with the green top and comments how it's all dead, and when they find nothing of interest in the chamber or in the pyramid, except a decapitated Engineer, which only confirms his doubts - their makers are also susceptible to death, so they can't be their makers, nor can they be perfect "gods", so as to speak. Which makes him go drunk when David meets him (to infect him with the goo).

And I am intrigued by Prometheus because of 2 reasons - my immense love for Alien and it's universe, and after a long, long time a film has come about which poses questions, rather than feed answers directly like most modern contemporary films (any genre). Rather than tying everything up neatly in a bow tie, this film leaves you asking stuff, and asking for more. These 2 emotions are very tough to be brought out. And maybe that's why Prometheus is just that bit more special to me. I wouldn't classify it as a 10/10 film, it has it's faults, but it's been the single biggest event (film-wise) to have happened to me in recent times.


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