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bloodrayne 07-25-2004 04:26 AM

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Originally posted by sugar shane
and by the way, whoever said that these terrorists will keep coming is absolutely right. our very own foreign policy has and will continue to make sure of that. stop the terrorists? stop giving people a reason to become terrorists.
Religious Extremity is their reason...WE didn't give that to them...ANY religion can be twisted to an extreme, and become a dangerous thing...Even Christianity...

Al Qeida takes the Koran of a peaceful religion, and interprets it as "Kill the non-believers", which goes against everything the Koran teaches...It DOES say to defeat your enemy (America is the enemy because we are "immoral"), but it ALSO says that not ONE innocent thing should be harmed in doing so...Not one innocent person, not a tree, etcetera...Basically, the Koran says the EXACT same things that the Christian Bible does , and the Christian bible(which states, for ONE example, that homosexuals should be brought out into the street and stoned to death...and for another, it allows for the hands of theives to be removed, just like they do in the Middle East... "If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out...If thine hand offend thee, cut it off..."...read that entire passage for details) can be interpretted in a dangerous, destructive, brutal, hateful manner as well...

Extremism is dangerous in ANY form

Gothic-chick 07-25-2004 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Arioch
I have a couple friends that spent a while in Europe for a couple years. I also watch alot of Eddie Izzard, various British culture...

Im sorry but this, nor any other wars are gonna keep the middle east peacefull and content. These countries have ALWAYS fought with eachother and ALWAYS will. This occupation we are no exercising isn't going to change that, and certainly not their opinion of us (atleast not in any good way, they dont even want us there).

What do you mean "those people"? You dont think this is a race issue do you? And just for the record, i think 72 virgins waiting for me is just as (im)probable as a judge telling me if i was good or bad my whole life at "pearly gates"....but hey thats just me...


Having a few friends who spent time in Europe and watching British TV do not give an accurate count of how other people view America.

We have to fight this war against terrorism.... Unless we want to sit back and wait until the savages figure out a way to kill us all.

Utopia doesn't exist! And I do believe your dead wrong... The citizens of Iraq have been waiting for the West to come save them since before you were born... It is apparent that there is alot you don't know.

What I meant by "those people" was Terrorists! and yes they are promised 72 virgins in heaven for strapping on a bomb and driving into a crowd. They do not think the same way we do.

Gothic-chick 07-25-2004 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by sugar shane
and by the way, whoever said that these terrorists will keep coming is absolutely right. our very own foreign policy has and will continue to make sure of that. stop the terrorists? stop giving people a reason to become terrorists.

If you want to have an intelligent conversation, I suggest you pick up a History book or two first.

You are sadly misinformed.. Terrorists are terrorists because they have twisted a religious belief and think all non Muslims should die... WTF does that have to do with foreign policy????

movieman64 07-25-2004 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by bloodrayne
Religious Extremity is their reason...WE didn't give that to them...ANY religion can be twisted to an extreme, and become a dangerous thing...Even Christianity...

Al Qeida takes the Koran of a peaceful religion, and interprets it as "Kill the non-believers", which goes against everything the Koran teaches...It DOES say to defeat your enemy (America is the enemy because we are "immoral"), but it ALSO says that not ONE innocent thing should be harmed in doing so...Not one innocent person, not a tree, etcetera...Basically, the Koran says the EXACT same things that the Christian Bible does , and the Christian bible(which states, for ONE example, that homosexuals should be brought out into the street and stoned to death...and for another, it allows for the hands of theives to be removed, just like they do in the Middle East... "If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out...If thine hand offend thee, cut it off..."...read that entire passage for details) can be interpretted in a dangerous, destructive, brutal, hateful manner as well...



Extremism is dangerous in ANY form


Al Qeida is to Muslim

as, KKK is to Christianity

movieman64 07-25-2004 06:49 AM

Hiding behind religion is one of the primary ways to wage war. More people have died in the name of God, (or by what ever name you prefer, or don't) The Crusades are a good example.

Arioch 07-25-2004 08:56 AM

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Utopia doesn't exist! And I do believe your dead wrong... The citizens of Iraq have been waiting for the West to come save them since before you were born... It is apparent that there is alot you don't know.
If you READ my post, you would see that i said there would ALWAYS BE fighting over there (that would be the OPPOSITE of a UTOPIA, i dont even know where you got that) there will NEVER be peace over there, with or without our occupation over there.....THAT was my point....

Ya and they were so greatfull they killed our soldiers and dragged their corpses through the cities in exhultation....if you think they are all happy and praising america for being over their apparently there is alot YOU don't know...damn and right after i got done commending you in another thread....

yourlastmistake 07-25-2004 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by movieman64
Al Qeida is to Muslim

as, KKK is to Christianity

true,true.........

yourlastmistake 07-25-2004 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by movieman64
Hiding behind religion is one of the primary ways to wage war. More people have died in the name of God, (or by what ever name you prefer, or don't) The Crusades are a good example.
once again........ true,true

HappyCamper 07-25-2004 06:11 PM

I'm not voting for Bush and here is are my reasons:

A) He lied to the American People about the 'Weapons of Mass Destruction"

B) He started a war in a country that HAD NOTHING to do with the attack on America on Sept 11th

C) He has ties to Al Qeida ....

D) He's a greedy son of a bitch, who just wants more oil money

E) He started a war to get revenge, for a man he believes tried to assasinate his father

F) He's put our country into more debt than any other President.

G) He believes the Patriot Act is required

H) He's trying to cover his own ass, by blaming the CIA and other governmental agencies

I) and not really a good reason...but

HE's a STUPID DUMB ASS!!

Gothic-chick 07-26-2004 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Arioch
If you READ my post, you would see that i said there would ALWAYS BE fighting over there (that would be the OPPOSITE of a UTOPIA, i dont even know where you got that) there will NEVER be peace over there, with or without our occupation over there.....THAT was my point....

Ya and they were so greatfull they killed our soldiers and dragged their corpses through the cities in exhultation....if you think they are all happy and praising america for being over their apparently there is alot YOU don't know...damn and right after i got done commending you in another thread....



What I meant by Utopia is exactly what you said, there will never be peace over there with or without military presence.

Thug terrorists killing American soldiers is also not a good measurement for how the people in Iraq feel about us being there.


I can hardly contain myself waiting for the new debate forum. I assure you we will meet again in there and have lots and lots of stuff to disagree on.

It's gonna be so much fun blasting your kind of thinking with concrete facts .......... There is an entire corner of my brain just overflowing with the stuff.


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