I don't know, I just didn't care for the workprint. Maybe's it because I'd already seen a majority of the scenes the night before.

i watched it the other way round...

i watched the workprint on the 29th aug and then the theatrical release when it was eventually released over here... so i had a bit of time inbetween.... i just think the theatrical went on too long and the ending had no meaning

what's the difference then?

well don't i feel a total pratt!! have just opened a thread for the exact same reason (sorry didn't see yours @ 1st) but i couldn't agree with you more it is a total shambles & waste of space

Rob Zombies Halloween DVD Question
 

So there is of course the "Unrated Director's Cut" version out on DVD. Is it basically the workprint, or is it the version that was seen in theaters with extra footage?

It's unanswerable. We'll have to wait until the actual DVD is released, as there is no official word to what each version consists of.

What has been confirmed is that "The Director's Cut" features 11 minutes of additional footage. 109 minutes for the theatrical, and 120 for the unrated. If anyone has the workprint, how long does it run? 120 minutes? If so, the chances that it is the workprint is pretty much solid.

A site (filmedge) states: "The Unrated Director's Cut of the HALLOWEEN runs 11 minutes longer than the version released in theaters — though fans should note this is NOT the Workprint version of the film that was leaked this summer." However correct they are is unknown.

An interview states that Zombie said the package will contain his "unrated" longer cut of the movie, loads of deleted scenes, documentaries and other bonus features. One thing it will not include, however, is the "workprint" version of the movie that leaked online prior to its theatrical release.

So... I'm leaning towards it NOT being the workprint version.

Hrm. Well, the rape scene is definitely in there.

It's the movie, plus even more murder and soft-core porn.

So it's not the Workprint?

You can download the workprint... I wouldn't mind seeing it, it's ment to be better than the cinema version...

It's shit plus suck equals the same sucky shitty ass movie.

I just watched the Director's Cut last night. It is the workprint, but it is NOT THE WORKPRINT; make sense? It's a combination of the two. It includes all the scenes in the workprint that were NOT in the theatrical, PLUS it also has these that were in the theatrical, but not the workprint:

3. A scene of Brackett pulling up alongside the girls as they walk home. Brackett offers a ride, which only Annie accepts.
4. The graveyard scene with Sid Haig.
7. Loomis buys a gun
9. A scene where Brackett explains how he knows who Laurie Strode’s real family is (a much needed addition as it is never explained in the workprint how she came to be with that family or how Loomis would know where to find her).

PS.
Monster Mash is not used in the introduction.
The death of Laurie's mother is more brutal, as opposed to the workprint version.
Bob is killed inside the house, as opposed to outside in the workprint.
The Laurie-shoots-Myers ending is the chosen ending, not the police-shoot-myers ending.

SO YES. There are three distinct versions... the Director's Cut being the most complete. Enjoy.

Movie still blows.

Wow, thanks man.

The reason I wanted to know, is because I didn't see the theatrical version, only the workprint. So of course, I want to see the one I haven't yet.

Thanks again. :)

Halloween: It was'nt that bad was it?
 

Watched this last night. I've noticed over the last few months its come in for a lot of flak on the forums. I did'nt think it was that bad. Sure you only had about a teaspoon of the suspense from Carpenters version & there was buckets of glop flying all other the place but with Rob Zombie at the helm it was pretty much what i thought it would be. Too be fair i'm no fan of slasher movies, once you've seen one group of dumb fuck teens get hacked & slashed the genre is pretty exhausted. Given a choice i'd watch Carpenters Halloween over RZ but it was nowhere near as bad as i was expecting from some of the rabid comments on this forum. I'm wondering if i should give THE FOG remake a chance or should i quit while i'm ahead?

It was better than I thought it was going to be. Actually, it was pretty damn good. I think what made it work was it was half prequel/half remake. The prequel was the best part, seeing Michael growing up in the insane asylum, and seeing Danny Trejo as the security guard. The remake portion was good, but definitely didn't live up to the original (then again, did you expect it to). What I thought was going to be my main problem, Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Loomis, didn't bother me much. It's not that I don't like McDowell, but I didn't think anybody could take on the role of Dr. Loomis besides Donald Pleasance (R.I.P.). But, he did a pretty good job. It's not fantastic, or even that memorable. But, for a remake, it was pretty damn good! I'd give it a 4/5.

I'll agree with YJ as far as the new Halloween. I liked the backstory of Michael Myers.....you almost felt bad for the crazy little bastard.The second half is just a "stalk & slash"....nothing new there.

As far as The Fog remake........I didn't like this one at all.It had NONE of the atmosphere of the original.

Ditto.

and

Ditto.

Well, I enjoyed the first half.

Yeah the first act was the best part of the film. by the way i was joking about THE FOG remake. Heard it was terrible PG 13 horror shite.

The Fog remake is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Ever.

The Fog remake is indeed awful. I still regret giving in and watching it, I told myself not to do it, but I did anyway. Apparently I like to suffer....:mad:

As far as the Halloween remake goes, well, I didn't care for it either. And couldn't stand the backstory. I was bored out of my mind. It was heavy handed, just not handled very well at all, in my opinion. Nothing subtle there. :rolleyes: But that's not surprising, since Zombie's filmmaking style is definitely NOT subtle. And there's not a thing wrong with that, it just didn't fit with a remake of such an important, influential horror film. I just hope he decides to make somewhat original films in the future.

I MIGHT have liked his backstory if it wasn't completely unoriginal. Forsyth gave a good performance and I liked the kid from Spy Kids getting beaten to death, but it takes 40 minutes to tell us what only needed ten. His family was white trash and people were mean to him. Really? Is that the BEST you can come up with, Rob? Mean hicks?

And Michael shouldn't have been the Huge Freakin Guy that he was. Michael Myers isn't scary because he's a physically imposing beast. That's Jason. Michael was scary because he was The Shape. He could be anywhere. The lights in the house are out. The room is completely dark except the moonlight coming in through the window. Suddenly, in the shadows of the background, you can make out the hint of the white mask. THAT is Michael Myers. In Rob Zombie's vision? He's a lumbering Frankenstein. No subtlety. No white mask creeping in from the background. Rob just cuts to a closeup. I know subtlety isn't Rob's style, but then maybe he shouldn't have done the movie.

And the thing that really bugged the shit out of me was Laurie. She acted no differently than any other broad in the movie. Oh, but she wore glasses. And she "doesn't like to lie." According to the Teen Comedy Movie clichés, she's the shy, quiet girl. Rob, if 3 of the 7 writers of Scary Movie are able to call you on your shit, then something is very wrong. I never thought I'd say this about a Rob Zombie movie, but the writing is just lazy. Ho1KC sucked, but at least it wasn't lazy. But Halloween? Lazy as shit. It's like he was talking to someone going on about how cool it would be if he could remake Hallween. And then they had him remake Halloween, and he panicked and went on auto-pilot.

EXACTLY....it worked well for him in The Devil's Rejects. It didn't work here, it was absolutely the wrong style for this film.
And I agree about Micheal's size as well. That bugged the hell out of me. He just didn't make a suspenseful film, not at all, while the original was incredibly suspenseful.

I liked the "Fog" remake, more or less.

I didn't like the "Halloween" remake, at all.

Stole the words right out of my mouth.

"The Fog" remake was deplorable.

I have mixed feelings about Zombie's "Halloween". I liked the back story (as many of you have stated). **SPOILER** - I didn't like the fact that Loomis was killed off and I despised who was cast as Laurie Stroud. She was ridiculous. All she did was scream and cry...now I know this could have been the writing or directing at this point...but seeing her onscreen for the first time was disappointing and then became a constant irritant. The fact that her hair and eyebrows didn't match irked me even more.

I have said this time and time again that I hate the Halloween remake. To me it just felt like Devil's Rejects all over again but instead of Spaulding and Otis you have Michael Myers and his nutty redneck family. Just plain bad.

zombie's uninspired and unoriginal backstory took the mysticism out of michael myers, which is what made him so frightening to begin with. the new halloween just turned him into some unstoppable psychopath by-product of a messed up family.

booooring.

I've heard about three hundred people say the "Fog" remake sucks horribly, but I haven't heard a single person who was able to explain why they thought this was so. "It sucks, it sucks..." Okay, but can you tell me why you feel this way? Illuminate me. I didn't think it was a masterpiece but I had no serious problems with it.

Its so predictable and so dreadfully DULL; the acting, the characters, the effects.....all of it, it was just boring. I can forgive a film a lot, I can't forgive it being a total bore. I need to be entertained at least a bit. I wasn't here, not in the least.

300 people? I thought there was only 17 posts. Indeed. Well, if I must explain why I didn't like "The Fog" remake. Here are a few reasons (in no particular order).....The acting was crap. The so called twist for the ending was contrived. The movie wasn't scary at all. There was no chemistry between the two main actors. I was bored during their "sexy" shower scene. Not the worst movie I have ever seen in my life, however, I stick by my original comment that it was "deplorable".

I feel that this thread is futile.
FUTILE!

I turned The Fog remake off when that Fallout Boy song started playing. I knew there would be nothing for me after that.

You people are mean to the Fog remake. :mad:

I just kidding, you're okay. ;) ;) :eek: :rolleyes:

I enjoyed Halloween I love all of Rob Zombie's movies there very gory and twisted hell I've even seen Zombie in concert.

I've seen Zombie an concert and, quite frankly, he scares the fuck out of me... I was in high school an I had this horrible feeling that someone was going to reach out in the crowd... And stab me.

Then again, I was a relatively paranoid teenager.

Rob Zombie himself, I think he's brilliant. Though I don't enjoy his music, I find it very easy to pigeonhole him as a person, as someone that's a mindless metalhead (not saying that I do that, but that people who do not necessarily enjoy that kind of music might stereotype him)... I love watching interviews with him, and I especially love hearing him talk about movies. I think that he has a wide range of knowledge of pop culture and, in particular, the horror genre.

His MOVIES, however, are another story, an I've been honestly wondering WHAT people see in his movies. "Gorey and twisted," it's been done. I feel as though he draws heavy influence from Texas Chainsaw Massacre and relies solely on that and his sensibilties for torture porn. Devil's Rejects was like Natural Born Killers except without... a point. I actually have a lot longer rant in regards to that movie, but I'll save it for another thread (because, honestly, I am very VERY curious about what people think of Rob Zombie as I honestly do not see or understand the appeal - so I WANT to hear from people who actually like him).

As for Halloween... Ugh...

I felt as the movie actually consisted of TWO movies...

Michael Before (The Mike Myer's Story)
Michael After (The Halloween Remake)

As for Movie I, I thought that, well, it was nothing really new. Tortured youth takes revenge on their family in a very preditacble way. Honestly, the beginning of the movie... Made me feel... NOTHING. Rob Zombie's major weakness is character development (though one can argue that that's the POINT - we are suppose to focus on the spectacle and not the characters), but in this film, I think that we're supposed to FEEL something... Maybe for Michael. Maybe for his mother.

But... I... Didn't... I never thought of Michael as a threat and I just couldn't suspend my disbelief. I felt as though Zombie was making a movie about a tortured kid. Nothing new, but could have been ok if, well, developed.

Oh, and it had a rape scene... What would a Zombie movie be without a rape scene?!

But the backstory has already been critiqued quite a bit. There's the downside that it's nothing new. Trash family and abuse at school.

But you know what else really cheesed me off? I thought that the backstory was completely unnecessary. What I really LIKED about the original Halloween is that we DON'T know why Michael Myers is the way he is. According to Dr. Loomis, he's just "EVIL."

Even though we do not get a lot of insight into the Myers' household, you get the impression that they are a normal family; the neighborhood is suburbia an their house is decked out for Halloween. Honestly, turning them into a cliched white trash nightmare was... disappointing. I prefer the concept of Michael being just... "Evil." Sociopathic. The "Bad Seed," as it were. I find that to be more chilling. Providing a backstory creates a new villian and therefore a new movie.

...

Movie II. Follows Halloween fairly closely. So closely, in fact, that I was again wondering, "What's the point? I've SEEN this already." He wants to add more blood? He wanted to add more profanity? Well, I wasn't impressed... There WERE a few parts that made me jump, which was worthy of note, but overall, honestly, I thought that Halloween was an iconic, fantastic horror movie, and did NOT need to be remade.

One strong point: The very, VERY end. I thought was incredible. I am a HUGE fan of the victim-become-victimizer. THAT was incredible. But it was a good 5 minutes out of 90. Overall, I thought the movie was superfluous. As are his movie in general.

But I am willing to hear the merits of Zombie. I am curious as to what the draw is.

I have to admit. . . . . . . . . . . I loved this film! I really enjoyed the "Prequal" part. The young mikey just creeped me out, little body with the myers mask walking down the hall?! :eek: Now for the rape scene, I don't take them scenes very well for some reason. But I liked it better how he got out then the theater version. I couldn't believe what I Was seeing, as for how big that Rob made michael. . . . . . I loved that as well, I really never noticed how huge he was in the theater version, Now I mean Ken Foree he is a pretty big guy himself and myers just TOWERED over him! It made it more believeable as to how he can take blows and barely get stunned. Can anyone answer this, the guy who played the grown up Myers, is he the tow truck driver from House and Rejects??

I don't know, I am beginning to think Zombie got lucky with The Devil's Rejects. I happen to REALLY love that film, its a recent favorite of mine. I admit it. The dialogue is sharp, it is often funny in an uncomfortable kind of way, its unapologetically brutal in a lot of ways. I think it was actually well written, smarter than the average horror film we see these days, and it was heavily influenced by the films that I have a lot of love for. Yet even with that obvious influence, I think he still managed to make it his own. But I am beginning to think it was a fluke. House of 1000 Corpses was just so generic, there were a couple of good scenes, sure, but otherwise, it was just.....nothing special. It just doesn't stand out. And it was more than just a bit annoying. The ending was awful.

But honestly, I watched it and thought, hey he has potential. His love for the horror genre is obvious. That I respect. And I did think he had it in him to make good horror films. Then, in my opinion, he made one. Instead of continuing on, and making another original film, and maybe proving that he could continue to improve.....he decided to remake a classic. That was a huge mistake. He has now made me, and lots of others I'm sure, doubt his potential as a filmmaker. Too bad. Maybe he will learn from his mistake (which I doubt, since the remake was so successful) and will go on to surprise us. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Yes in Rejects, but not the same guy that played RJ in 1000 Corpses. I loved all Zombie's movies including Halloween.