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Romjon13 12-03-2006 12:30 PM

Horror movies or bad parenting?
 
Anyone who love scary movies will tell you, just because they can't take their eyes off the screen. I shit you not...when was the last time you were watching a scary movie and you dozed off? If you say yes, you have not been watching the right scary movies because they are all intended to scare the craps out of you or else make you leave the movie theather because its content is too violent, too graphic, too honest, too gross, too original, too intense for you. Well, you can tell, I am a horror movie enthusiast. I started watching horror movies at an early age...I remember that Friday night when it all started...I think I was 9, I was supposed to go watch cartoons but as I was screening the channels to see what was better than those boring animated series that I was forced to watch religiously, because everything else was forbidden for my very innocent eyes to view, if only my parents knew, anyway to come back to the subject, I flinched when I paused on channel 5, I thought I was going to turn the tv off because it was too intense for me to see, but what happened next was very strange to me...I could not bring myself to turn off the tv or to change the channel. I was so glued at that scene where Jason from "Friday the 13" was running after an innocent young woman... I was so attentive to the scene, waiting impatiently to see what was going to happen next. I was so amazed at myself to see how courageous I was to finish the whole movie by myself without screaming, or should I say too fearful that I might wake up my mom. All I can tell you is since then, I have addicted...I have been hooked, this is an addiction that I don't think I can ever bring myself to quit. Our parents did not want us to watch these types of movies at an early age, they feared that we might become violent and insane, but what they didn't know at the time is we all love what is forbidden to us. Also, that movies do not create serial killers, parents do...the way your parent treats you as you were growing up, their good values, and good genes are all that matters.

There goes my question, how many of you thinks that horror movies do create serial killers, or how many of you thinks otherwise?

"Horror movies do not create serial killers, their parents did."

the_real_linda 12-04-2006 06:48 AM

"movies dont create psychos, movies make pyschos more creative"


well ive always been allowed to watch horrors and im not a serial or a mass murderer so i gotta agree

tcardenas 12-04-2006 03:02 PM

i really dont understand this debate. how can watching something make someone a serial killer? makes no sense to me. it also doesnt make sense that people think violent video games make kids violent.. i agree that bad parenting is the issue.

the_real_linda 12-05-2006 03:46 AM

yeah and something in the brain....people who blame games and tv/films lack responsibility for their own actions.....its sheer lazyness.

Romjon13 12-06-2006 06:25 PM

Don't be scarrrrrrrrrrrrred...share your thoughts!!!
 
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Originally Posted by the_real_linda (Post 518539)
yeah and something in the brain....people who blame games and tv/films lack responsibility for their own actions.....its sheer lazyness.

You're totally right...who else thinks the same way The real Linda and Tcardenas do or just let us have it...if you feel otherwise, trust me I can take it.

Trex 12-10-2006 01:35 PM

A little different reply to that:
 
I don't think that horror movies create serial killers, lol. I do believe that you can be influenced by movies. As long as you can see, hear, and feel you can be influenced by anything, otherwise, why do we grit our teeth or have our bungholes clamp shut hard at that pivotal gory part in (insert movie)?

We like to be scared, that's why we watch them. Cheap beer and drugs make serial killers.:cool:

Romjon13 12-30-2006 01:46 PM

Good comment...!
 
I liked your ideas on horror movies, yes they're there to scare the craps out of us but some inspire us to be good if we had good in us or to be evil if our upbringings dictated that type of behavior. Horror movies can be whatever you want it to be, just like sex..., if you want the sex to be good you create the mood for it, and if you want to buy cheap sex well, the performance will be cheap as well. That is just another way of looking at it.

Posher778 01-02-2007 03:43 PM

"movies dont create psychos, movies make pyschos more creative"

Scream 2

the_real_linda 01-03-2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_real_linda (Post 518156)
"movies dont create psychos, movies make pyschos more creative"


well ive always been allowed to watch horrors and im not a serial or a mass murderer so i gotta agree

yeah i said that already


i agree that we are influenced by everyting around us but theres something wrong in the brain of killers that cant be done by a film

XtRaVa 01-03-2007 03:48 PM

I wrote an academic essay on the subject of video game violence, and its effect on young children for University.

I came to the conclusion, that generally speaking, the evil or violent behaviour that could lead to pre-meditated murder already lies in the persons psyche. Nurture can play a role, but mostly its nature that causes it.

Scientific studies have shown that many mass murderers have had similar brain cat scan results, which in some cases was down to their genes, and other times was even due to brain damage caused by knocks to the head which could have happened when they were very young.

Theres also been lots of tests where random people were shown neutral images and had their brain activity, pulse rates and other things measured whilst viewing them. Then they would show violent images and take note of the changes. They would then often do the same test on people that played violent video-games more than any other genre (and also people that liked violent/horror films) and saw that their response to the violent images were less significant to the random subjects, showing dissensitisation.

Anything can cause dissensitisation though, we see violence every day in films and games, but more importantly on the news and in real life, so to blame violent movies or games for people murdering others is quite stupid, but to blame the parents can also be as equally wrong.

Generally speaking in my opinion, and from investigations, it seems to be nature rather than nurture/real life experiences, hobbies and interests that creates psychopathic killers.

Sliver 01-03-2007 04:14 PM

I had a rousing debate with a woman once about this. She wouldn't even let her children watch things like the Power Rangers etc... It was too violent. Me? Mine are 12 and 9. They can watch pretty much any horror film that they're interested in watching. (Although the 9 year old's more of a wimp for them so we let her choose the 'scare level'.)
Her whole point was that children cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
My whole point was that children deserve more credit. (That, and as a parent you should be discussing these things with them!) A child could watch Sylvester get clobbered over the head with a shovel, and laugh. The same child could then go for a walk with their parent and watch a pedestrian get smoked by a car at an intersection. The child would be horrified, hands down.

Romjon13 01-09-2007 08:25 AM

Hey, I got to give it to you, you have done studies on this and you know your stuff. But one thing that you contradicted is that if some of the subjects that were psychopaths and sociopaths fell on their heads at some point in their childhood and you said yourself that they could inherited this disease through genetics which is totally up to their parents...right? If their parents didn't pay enough attention to them as infants like Britney Spears did, dropping the kid on his head numerous times, well, what do you expect? Who started it...? The kid or the parent? If the parent kept the kid inside and never allowed them to go play with other kids if they become sociopaths, who allowed it? If the kids inherited the psychopath gene from let's say their grand-pa...did they want to be born from a family with a history of head disease?

Please answer to these above and rethink of your last statement.

Romjon13 01-09-2007 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sliver (Post 528562)
I had a rousing debate with a woman once about this. She wouldn't even let her children watch things like the Power Rangers etc... It was too violent. Me? Mine are 12 and 9. They can watch pretty much any horror film that they're interested in watching. (Although the 9 year old's more of a wimp for them so we let her choose the 'scare level'.)
Her whole point was that children cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
My whole point was that children deserve more credit. (That, and as a parent you should be discussing these things with them!) A child could watch Sylvester get clobbered over the head with a shovel, and laugh. The same child could then go for a walk with their parent and watch a pedestrian get smoked by a car at an intersection. The child would be horrified, hands down.

That's a good way to put it...I say that ignorance is bliss but give the kids some credit...you are raising them to be someday, great people, very intelligent ones. What you are hiding from them at home, is what they are witnessing on a day to day basis...at least be a part of their lives. All they really need is a truthful explanation to everything they see and experience. They need you there to be that honest teacher to them if you are chickened out, they will find someone else, and it could someone that you could never bring yourself to think of...Everything that's forbidden to any kid will be more of a challenge to them. Trust me, I've been one of those kids. But I survived it, because I had great siblings.

Romjon13 01-09-2007 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XtRaVa (Post 528547)
I wrote an academic essay on the subject of video game violence, and its effect on young children for University.

I came to the conclusion, that generally speaking, the evil or violent behaviour that could lead to pre-meditated murder already lies in the persons psyche. Nurture can play a role, but mostly its nature that causes it.

Scientific studies have shown that many mass murderers have had similar brain cat scan results, which in some cases was down to their genes, and other times was even due to brain damage caused by knocks to the head which could have happened when they were very young.

Theres also been lots of tests where random people were shown neutral images and had their brain activity, pulse rates and other things measured whilst viewing them. Then they would show violent images and take note of the changes. They would then often do the same test on people that played violent video-games more than any other genre (and also people that liked violent/horror films) and saw that their response to the violent images were less significant to the random subjects, showing dissensitisation.

Anything can cause dissensitisation though, we see violence every day in films and games, but more importantly on the news and in real life, so to blame violent movies or games for people murdering others is quite stupid, but to blame the parents can also be as equally wrong.

Generally speaking in my opinion, and from investigations, it seems to be nature rather than nurture/real life experiences, hobbies and interests that creates psychopathic killers.

Check the first answer in the second page...

XtRaVa 01-09-2007 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Romjon13 (Post 531647)
Hey, I got to give it to you, you have done studies on this and you know your stuff. But one thing that you contradicted is that if some of the subjects that were psychopaths and sociopaths fell on their heads at some point in their childhood and you said yourself that they could inherited this disease through genetics which is totally up to their parents...right? If their parents didn't pay enough attention to them as infants like Britney Spears did, dropping the kid on his head numerous times, well, what do you expect? Who started it...? The kid or the parent? If the parent kept the kid inside and never allowed them to go play with other kids if they become sociopaths, who allowed it? If the kids inherited the psychopath gene from let's say their grand-pa...did they want to be born from a family with a history of head disease?

Please answer to these above and rethink of your last statement.

When I said it was down to their genes, I meant that for some reason something didnt develop right in their brain which is beyond the control of anyone. I didnt mean that the parents were evil and produced evil, I just meant that it happened naturally (nature not nurture) but there wasnt some "evil gene" that was the cause.

As for the bumping of heads, I didnt specify whether it was due to a parent dropping them, it could have been any accident. Also I was just giving an example as to how some of the subjects might of had these similar cat scans, which showed differences to cat scans of "normal" people.

You dont have to believe anything I say or come to an agreement with me, theres no cold hard evidence to say its because of one way or another. Theres DEFINATELY some people that had fucked up heads which is why THEY were mental, and theres DEFINATELY some people that had fucked up childhoods which is why THEY were mental. However I was merely saying that after studying into it, it appears that the later happens less often and results of studies by scientists often comes to the conclusion that in most cases its down to nature not nurture.

You can believe its mainly down to nurture and no one can say you're wrong. Just as I can believe its mainly down to nature and no one can say I'm wrong, especially seeing as theres more evidence for my belief on the subject. The only way you can be wrong is if you say its ALL down to one or the other, because it clearly and obviously isnt.

Romjon13 01-09-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XtRaVa (Post 531659)
When I said it was down to their genes, I meant that for some reason something didnt develop right in their brain which is beyond the control of anyone. I didnt mean that the parents were evil and produced evil, I just meant that it happened naturally (nature not nurture) but there wasnt some "evil gene" that was the cause.

As for the bumping of heads, I didnt specify whether it was due to a parent dropping them, it could have been any accident. Also I was just giving an example as to how some of the subjects might of had these similar cat scans, which showed differences to cat scans of "normal" people.

You dont have to believe anything I say or come to an agreement with me, theres no cold hard evidence to say its because of one way or another. Theres DEFINATELY some people that had fucked up heads which is why THEY were mental, and theres DEFINATELY some people that had fucked up childhoods which is why THEY were mental. However I was merely saying that after studying into it, it appears that the later happens less often and results of studies by scientists often comes to the conclusion that in most cases its down to nature not nurture.

You can believe its mainly down to nurture and no one can say you're wrong. Just as I can believe its mainly down to nature and no one can say I'm wrong, especially seeing as theres more evidence for my belief on the subject. The only way you can be wrong is if you say its ALL down to one or the other, because it clearly and obviously isnt.

I guess you're right...it's your opinion and I want you to know that I have nothing but respect for anyone who stands up for their opinions as you did.

JMCcuts 01-12-2007 09:46 PM

they can be bad
 
movies and games can be lead to violence.

The STE 01-13-2007 09:44 AM

You're right, JiffyCuts. For example, I was playing Guitar Hero, and now I'd kinda like to take the guitar controler and brain you with it.

Despare 01-13-2007 10:51 AM

Some of the bleakest periods in world history came long before television and videogames. It's just another scapegoat.

XtRaVa 01-14-2007 04:02 PM

Some people are very easily influenced though. In some cases violent video games or movies can create violence individuals. However like I say I believe that its mainly already in the persons psyche.

Despare 01-14-2007 08:43 PM

I think violent video games or movies simply give violent individuals something to blame which gives them more freedom to let themselves loose.

the_real_linda 01-15-2007 10:27 AM

i like that idea of something to blame....like the dude i scream2 was gonna do


"all about the court case....blame the movies" etc

Romjon13 01-22-2007 01:27 PM

Hey there...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMCcuts (Post 533320)
movies and games can be lead to violence.

One question: do you get violent after watching a scary movie? or after you had too much to drink?

It's your opinion though, I respect that, but if it comes from experience, I respect it even more...

Romjon13 01-22-2007 01:28 PM

That's what I thought too!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Despare (Post 533947)
I think violent video games or movies simply give violent individuals something to blame which gives them more freedom to let themselves loose.

But some people will always need a scapegoat, right?!

Romjon13 01-22-2007 01:31 PM

Thanks for your input!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The STE (Post 533475)
You're right, JiffyCuts. For example, I was playing Guitar Hero, and now I'd kinda like to take the guitar controler and brain you with it.

Way to go...but I really don't support all that violence, now take it from me, I'm much of a doer than a talker...something to think about...

Despare 01-22-2007 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Romjon13 (Post 537986)
But some people will always need a scapegoat, right?!

People in general need a scapegoat because the majority doesn't seem to want to accept the fact that there are evil people in the world. Not people who have been corrupted or treated unfairly, just evil human beings who like to watch other people suffer. It's a hard thing for some people to understand I guess, they want to embrace people and help them get better. Some people don't want to get better... some people can't get better.

pinkerton 01-22-2007 04:47 PM

Horror movies are a survival guide for children.If they've seen akot of them they are better off than kids who haven't.

can't get enough gore 01-22-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Romjon13 (Post 519382)
You're totally right...who else thinks the same way The real Linda and Tcardenas do or just let us have it...if you feel otherwise, trust me I can take it.

lemme start out by saying i am honestly 13...i started at 8....i never had any violent outbreaks...my parents let me see almost anything...they are a bit worried about all the nudity in these films but basically they can trust me that i won't get any ideas....my parents are great people i love them to death....just because i play/watch violent things does not mean they are bad parents...i hope this helped you... get the opinion of a....minor

can't get enough gore 01-22-2007 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Despare (Post 533482)
Some of the bleakest periods in world history came long before television and videogames. It's just another scapegoat.

agreed 100%

can't get enough gore 01-22-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The STE (Post 533475)
You're right, JiffyCuts. For example, I was playing Guitar Hero, and now I'd kinda like to take the guitar controler and brain you with it.

LOL...nice cm punk sig BTW

pinkerton 01-22-2007 07:28 PM

The fucking shit is entertainment not a fucking how to guide.


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