Worrying Censorship Developments At Hdc

[PR3SSUR3]

There suspiciously does not seem to be a straight answer forthcoming in the other threads, so let us ask here:-

Is omcdave banned? If so, on what grounds?

Furthermore, it appears some if not all of his posts have been removed from the forum entirely.

What is the justification for this?

I don't believe this member - unlike some others - was intentionally rude, pornographic or an aggressive troublemaker. He wasn't even sarcastic.

It is generally agreed that some of his posts might have been silly, but then the same goes for many other - unbanned - members of horror.com. Far more offensive and banal entries have been allowed to stay on the forum, and their posters go unchecked.

Is the establishment executing its right to remove (all trace of) any member it deems 'unsuitable' using some dubious excuse of his 'excessive posting' or typing 'not what people want to read'?

If this is the case, it is extremely disappointing from a community which has been known to boast about its diversity, tolerance and broad mindedness when it comes to discussing horror and other subjects.

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3

There suspiciously does not seem to be a straight answer forthcoming in the other threads, so let us ask here:-

Is omcdave banned? If so, on what grounds?

Furthermore, it appears some if not all of his posts have been removed from the forum entirely.

What is the justification for this?

I don't believe this member - unlike some others - was intentionally rude, pornographic or an aggressive troublemaker. He wasn't even sarcastic.

It is generally agreed that some of his posts might have been silly, but then the same goes for many other - unbanned - members of horror.com. Far more offensive and banal entries have been allowed to stay on the forum, and their posters go unchecked.

Is the establishment executing its right to remove (all trace of) any member it deems 'unsuitable' using some dubious excuse of his 'excessive posting' or typing 'not what people want to read'?

If this is the case, it is extremely disappointing from a community which has been known to boast about its diversity, tolerance and broad mindedness when it comes to discussing horror and other subjects.

I believe more than one complaint was made against him for some of the stuff he had been doing on here and behind the scenes. Also, he and his cohorts have been filling this place with total nonsense since they joined. Till November-December last year, he wasnt posting anywhere else except the General Forum, not to mention opening countless threads of idiocy and filling other threads with stupidity.

When pointed that he wasnt posting anything related to "contribution to horror" by The Flayed One, he started frequenting the Asian movies and Modern movies sections and added some information about Asian stuff. Knowing the fascination us movie-goers have for asian movies these days (since Hollywood has gone drastically down in the Horror genre) he was lauded for it, but actually most of his recommendations were lifted from sites such as upcominghorrormovies.com and hkflix.com et al. (How do I know about it? His posts regarding a particular movie matched the reviews in those sites by other people) I doubt the guy himself took any time out to watch the movies he actually posted about.

And lately he has been doing some stuff which went beyond the transgression of the mods. I am sure if they removed him they had enough evidence and complaints lodged against him, and in subsequent investigations, they found a lot of proof to back those complaints.

Maybe if BR or Zwoti or whoever did the banning clears it up, then everyone would believe it. I am just voicing my thoughts as to what might have happened.

And I applaud the mods for being so tolerant of the fellow and giving him more than one chance to be a good standing and contributing member. Many other excellent members protested and left in disgust, but the mods still let him stay.

It was a severe loss to the forum when so many good contributing members left in protest because their complaints against him werent being heeded upon. Its a classic case of one apple spoiling the whole barrel. I doubt if we will ever get those good members back again.

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btw, on the question of why he and others were banned...the answer has been provided by the HDC Mods right here...

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17292


Scroll down the first post...to the second one added just now.

I think that covers the reason.

[Angra]

Soo...... Enlighten the crowd, please.

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by Angra

Soo...... Enlighten the crowd, please.

*sigh*...There are reasons why I cannot...It involves MANY other people...People who just want it to go away...It is out of respect for their feelings and wishes that I have been intentionally vague

Just please trust that we don't ban people unjustly, or for any PERSONAL reasons, and leave it at that

[AsylumSeeker]

I'm sorry I've been working 12+ hour days and haven't had a chance to post before this. Dave and company are some strange and scary people who were harassing and freaking out female members. When I came in here brand new and knew absolutely nothing about what was going on and who was who, Dave was very welcoming. I received tons of p.m.s welcoming me and encouraging me to visit "his" J horror board along with a lot telling me who the idiots and jerks were from the old group and how he and his friends were simply being abused for no good reason. I also got them from Trippin, who seemed another very nice and welcoming member. It seemed he doth protest too much about how he was the glue who held this site together, but I honestly thought he and a couple of his cohorts were like that loud, drunk aunt at the wedding who embarasses and annoys everyone, but are basically harmless.

As I was on the site more and more, I noticed that they were simply stirring crap with every member they could. Any, and I do mean ANY, topic was cause for a meeting of the minds with this crew to see how they could agitate. The Yahoo messenger burned alot of bandwidth for them to come up with ways to harass and irritate anyone and everyone, but especially the mods and the people who had been here any length of time. That was their point for being here. Nothing else. It was all about irritating people they felt had wronged them. They would hop on new people after the first post and try to get you to defend them and what wonderful, wronged people they were.

I made the mistake of getting into yahoo with Dave one night when he said he wanted to talk to me about something. He started a multi-chat, pulling in several cohorts whom I had not spoken to on or off the boards. One member activated his webcam on which he, pretty regularly, shows his penis. I was not the first invitee to this little show. Apparently several underage girls who frequented the site had also been invited at one time or another prompting the "why being a pervert pedophile is okay" speech. I believe there were warnings, etc. at that point, to which they took great umbrage. Well, if a 14 year old girl wants to look at a 30-some year old man jerking off, why should HDC care that that's where they were targeted...prudes!! They were pictures of men....err...at the completion stage of....pleasuring themselves being sent around. I declined and logged...fast and left them with the thought that if they sent me a picture of that nature, they had better keep a copy because after what I would do to their testicles, they would need it to remember when their plumbing functioned.

Of course this was followed up with a post on the boards about how much he enjoyed our conversation, then 4 or so p.m.s about how he sincerely hoped I wasn't offended. They are just open minded and a little wierd and like to talk about sex. Since then I haven't been on this site because, frankly, with this bunch of freaks and perverts I figured I would just go gently into that goodnight and say the hell with this place. I mean, between the boards being loaded with them posting the most inane drivel on purpose just to try and ruin the board, what's the use of fighting the uphill battle.

For those that defend Dave and think his posting idiocy is not bannable, think again. How many people who would be good, fun, knowlegeable contributors to this site never even bother to register because a quick trip through the boards is nothing but vapid drivel and constant conversation about why certain people shouldn't get banned? The only reason I made it that far was that it honestly seemed to me that this was not approved of, in general. Do you think that people posting endlessly about how they want to be banned and how they are just assholes, they can't help themselves and they will do it again, is really a good way to attract people you'd ever want to talk to?

In addition, I'm sure I'm not the only one that has been invited to these little parties from here, then harassed here for saying, okay you sick freaks, if you all want to sit around all night and look at each other's schlongs, have a ball, but leave me out of it. I'm pretty sure the mods have a long list. Especially since I didn't even contact the mods.

Censorship sounds very scary and Orwellian and everyone goes into apoplexy about how they are being repressed. What's worse is when you have a small number of people, most who have been banned before (and are exploiting the lack of an ISP block) come back under another name to create trouble and basically kill the board to settle old scores. They were already banned and came right out and said I'm back under another name to cause trouble. Banning is the only possible option.

As for Dave and everyone being against him because he's Korean and can't spell..err...Dave has been in the states his whole life. He graduated from school here and he lives in California. He's just illiterate. I'm sorry, if you can't sing, don't stand up at karaoke and if you can't spell or type coherent sentences, stay off of boards where coherent writing is a prerequisite!!

[Angra]

Originally Posted by AsylumSeeker

I made the mistake of getting into yahoo with Dave one night when he said he wanted to talk to me about something. He started a multi-chat, pulling in several cohorts whom I had not spoken to on or off the boards. One member activated his webcam on which he, pretty regularly, shows his penis. I was not the first invitee to this little show. Apparently several underage girls who frequented the site had also been invited at one time or another prompting the "why being a pervert pedophile is okay" speech. I believe there were warnings, etc. at that point, to which they took great umbrage. Well, if a 14 year old girl wants to look at a 30-some year old man jerking off, why should HDC care that that's where they were targeted...prudes!! They were pictures of men....err...at the completion stage of....pleasuring themselves being sent around. I declined and logged...fast and left them with the thought that if they sent me a picture of that nature, they had better keep a copy because after what I would do to their testicles, they would need it to remember when their plumbing functioned.
!!

That's pretty creepy stuff. And a totally different side of Dave than the Dave I knew of.

Wonder if if it's a group of Pedos who's found together here at HDC. Brrrrr.... Scary to think of..

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by AsylumSeeker

I'm sorry I've been working 12+ hour days and haven't had a chance to post before this. Dave and company are some strange and scary people who were harassing and freaking out female members. When I came in here brand new and knew absolutely nothing about what was going on and who was who, Dave was very welcoming. I received tons of p.m.s welcoming me and encouraging me to visit "his" J horror board along with a lot telling me who the idiots and jerks were from the old group and how he and his friends were simply being abused for no good reason. I also got them from Trippin, who seemed another very nice and welcoming member. It seemed he doth protest too much about how he was the glue who held this site together, but I honestly thought he and a couple of his cohorts were like that loud, drunk aunt at the wedding who embarasses and annoys everyone, but are basically harmless.

As I was on the site more and more, I noticed that they were simply stirring crap with every member they could. Any, and I do mean ANY, topic was cause for a meeting of the minds with this crew to see how they could agitate. The Yahoo messenger burned alot of bandwidth for them to come up with ways to harass and irritate anyone and everyone, but especially the mods and the people who had been here any length of time. That was their point for being here. Nothing else. It was all about irritating people they felt had wronged them. They would hop on new people after the first post and try to get you to defend them and what wonderful, wronged people they were.

I made the mistake of getting into yahoo with Dave one night when he said he wanted to talk to me about something. He started a multi-chat, pulling in several cohorts whom I had not spoken to on or off the boards. One member activated his webcam on which he, pretty regularly, shows his penis. I was not the first invitee to this little show. Apparently several underage girls who frequented the site had also been invited at one time or another prompting the "why being a pervert pedophile is okay" speech. I believe there were warnings, etc. at that point, to which they took great umbrage. Well, if a 14 year old girl wants to look at a 30-some year old man jerking off, why should HDC care that that's where they were targeted...prudes!! They were pictures of men....err...at the completion stage of....pleasuring themselves being sent around. I declined and logged...fast and left them with the thought that if they sent me a picture of that nature, they had better keep a copy because after what I would do to their testicles, they would need it to remember when their plumbing functioned.

Of course this was followed up with a post on the boards about how much he enjoyed our conversation, then 4 or so p.m.s about how he sincerely hoped I wasn't offended. They are just open minded and a little wierd and like to talk about sex. Since then I haven't been on this site because, frankly, with this bunch of freaks and perverts I figured I would just go gently into that goodnight and say the hell with this place. I mean, between the boards being loaded with them posting the most inane drivel on purpose just to try and ruin the board, what's the use of fighting the uphill battle.

For those that defend Dave and think his posting idiocy is not bannable, think again. How many people who would be good, fun, knowlegeable contributors to this site never even bother to register because a quick trip through the boards is nothing but vapid drivel and constant conversation about why certain people shouldn't get banned? The only reason I made it that far was that it honestly seemed to me that this was not approved of, in general. Do you think that people posting endlessly about how they want to be banned and how they are just assholes, they can't help themselves and they will do it again, is really a good way to attract people you'd ever want to talk to?

In addition, I'm sure I'm not the only one that has been invited to these little parties from here, then harassed here for saying, okay you sick freaks, if you all want to sit around all night and look at each other's schlongs, have a ball, but leave me out of it. I'm pretty sure the mods have a long list. Especially since I didn't even contact the mods.

Censorship sounds very scary and Orwellian and everyone goes into apoplexy about how they are being repressed. What's worse is when you have a small number of people, most who have been banned before (and are exploiting the lack of an ISP block) come back under another name to create trouble and basically kill the board to settle old scores. They were already banned and came right out and said I'm back under another name to cause trouble. Banning is the only possible option.

As for Dave and everyone being against him because he's Korean and can't spell..err...Dave has been in the states his whole life. He graduated from school here and he lives in California. He's just illiterate. I'm sorry, if you can't sing, don't stand up at karaoke and if you can't spell or type coherent sentences, stay off of boards where coherent writing is a prerequisite!!

Thank you for that...I know it wasn't easy...Just be assured that you are far from the only one, and you did nothing wrong

Just be glad that you weren't one of those little girls...2 of them were 13 years old...At least of the ones WE know about

[Angra]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

Thank you for that...I know it wasn't easy...Just be assured that you are far from the only one, and you did nothing wrong

Just be glad that you weren't one of those little girls

So anything new about the IP banning?

[AsylumSeeker]

Originally Posted by Angra

That's pretty creepy stuff. And a totally different side of Dave than the Dave I knew of.

Wonder if if it's a group of Pedos who's found together here at HDC. Brrrrr.... Scary to think of..

Exactly. That's why I posted this. I mean, I'm an idiot for ever having talked to them. I'm a grown woman and dealt with it. The mods, however, can't come out and say alot of things that I'm sure have been reported to them because they are protecting the people who have had to deal with this junk. They have to protect people from this crap without divulging the details. It's unfair and insulting for people to run around second guessing their actions when they have ZERO information on the majority of what's going on. Either trust that the mods would have gotten rid of this lot a long time ago if they were the type to abuse power over a personality conflict and that to do so at this late date is a sign there is more than meets the eye or go somewhere else, but don't give them what they want by ruining the board in their stead.