Rob Zombie's Halloween

The whole Mike in the asylum was done by Carpenter when Halloween was shown on HBO he went back and edited in extra footage.

[Roderick Usher]

Originally Posted by Jim Linahan

The whole Mike in the asylum was done by Carpenter when Halloween was shown on HBO he went back and edited in extra footage.

Actually that footage was shot for the NBC broadcast, because the film was a couple of minutes shorter than the network running time for films. He shot a couple of what he called "carpet scenes" to fill in the gaps

one of which had Jamie Lee's hair up in a towel, because it was significantly shorter than when the film was originally shot.

[THE VAMPIRE]

Halloween was pretty good,but the Fog had just to much FOG

[Liar,liar]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

I've seen Zombie an concert and, quite frankly, he scares the fuck out of me... I was in high school an I had this horrible feeling that someone was going to reach out in the crowd... And stab me.

Hahahaha Rob Zombie had to to be the best concert I've been to and I've seen alot a shows and I'm only 15, but as for Halloween yes it was just another gory slasher porn but being a guy a movie with tits and gore is 5 stars hahaha but I like how he should why Michael was the way he is kinda like Hannable Rising.

[CrimsonFiend138]

I totally agree with the STE like totally lol....ANYWAY.....One thing(even tho I love the sequels) is how they made him mr muscles. Leave it to Jason or Leatherface. What I liked about Michael was he was tall and Lanky. I HATED the mask in this....plain white mask just like usual fuck those scars and stuff and how does a mask get that messed up sitting in the same spot. No matter what anyone says about Malcom Mcdowell, There is no replacment to Donald pleasance period and thats another nail in the coffin...or...knife in the teenager. It was too much like DR also shouldnt have gotten all those same people.....

[massacre man]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFiend138

how does a mask get that messed up sitting in the same spot.

The material for the masks rot after a while, especially after being used and being sweated in (a teenager anxious to have sex and a kid who just killed 3 people).

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by jenna26

I don't know, I am beginning to think Zombie got lucky with The Devil's Rejects. I happen to REALLY love that film, its a recent favorite of mine. I admit it. The dialogue is sharp, it is often funny in an uncomfortable kind of way, its unapologetically brutal in a lot of ways. I think it was actually well written, smarter than the average horror film we see these days, and it was heavily influenced by the films that I have a lot of love for. Yet even with that obvious influence, I think he still managed to make it his own. But I am beginning to think it was a fluke. House of 1000 Corpses was just so generic, there were a couple of good scenes, sure, but otherwise, it was just.....nothing special. It just doesn't stand out. And it was more than just a bit annoying. The ending was awful.

But honestly, I watched it and thought, hey he has potential. His love for the horror genre is obvious. That I respect. And I did think he had it in him to make good horror films. Then, in my opinion, he made one. Instead of continuing on, and making another original film, and maybe proving that he could continue to improve.....he decided to remake a classic. That was a huge mistake. He has now made me, and lots of others I'm sure, doubt his potential as a filmmaker. Too bad. Maybe he will learn from his mistake (which I doubt, since the remake was so successful) and will go on to surprise us. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Thanks for the response, Jenna... I wonder if I just have an issue with that particular genre... I feel as though Devil's Rejects most certainly emulates Torture Porn - those "uncomfortable" moments are uncomfortable to me because they seem very exploitative for the sake of being exploitative.

What strikes me, though, is that, when I consider other torture porn and exploitative movies, I realize that Zombie hasn't really done anything original. He takes a LOT from movies such as TCM, Last House on the Left, and I Spit On Your Grave... I think there's even a bit of The Hills Have Eyes in there. But I don't think that he adds to the genre, per say.

Take something like Hostel or Saw. Both of these movies add to the exploitative torture porn genre because they, well, torture people in more explicit and different ways (both of them being more strictly TORTURE than anything else).

I guess my problem with Devil's Rejects is that I found myself asking, "What's the point?" At least with Hostel or Saw, the point IS the spectacle. But with Devil's Rejects, I'm just confused with that... Is he out to make the audience uncomfortable? Perhaps that's the answer: Experimenting with the audience to see whether or not they come back. After all, MOST horror is an experiment in human comfort/discomfort boundaries.

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Originally Posted by Liar,liar

Hahahaha Rob Zombie had to to be the best concert I've been to and I've seen alot a shows and I'm only 15, but as for Halloween yes it was just another gory slasher porn but being a guy a movie with tits and gore is 5 stars hahaha but I like how he should why Michael was the way he is kinda like Hannable Rising.

hahaha... This post actually made me smile. I might just like you, after all.

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Re: The backstory... I think that a lot of people actually enjoyed that aspect of the film... I wasn't as big a fan because I liked the idea of him coming from "anywhere" or "nowhere," the quintessential urban monster... That concept is, to me, more frightening than a monster from a broken home.

[jenna26]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

Thanks for the response, Jenna... I wonder if I just have an issue with that particular genre... I feel as though Devil's Rejects most certainly emulates Torture Porn - those "uncomfortable" moments are uncomfortable to me because they seem very exploitative for the sake of being exploitative.

What strikes me, though, is that, when I consider other torture porn and exploitative movies, I realize that Zombie hasn't really done anything original. He takes a LOT from movies such as TCM, Last House on the Left, and I Spit On Your Grave... I think there's even a bit of The Hills Have Eyes in there. But I don't think that he adds to the genre, per say.

Take something like Hostel or Saw. Both of these movies add to the exploitative torture porn genre because they, well, torture people in more explicit and different ways (both of them being more strictly TORTURE than anything else).

I guess my problem with Devil's Rejects is that I found myself asking, "What's the point?" At least with Hostel or Saw, the point IS the spectacle. But with Devil's Rejects, I'm just confused with that... Is he out to make the audience uncomfortable? Perhaps that's the answer: Experimenting with the audience to see whether or not they come back. After all, MOST horror is an experiment in human comfort/discomfort boundaries.

No, I don't think he has done anything groundbreaking, or particularly original, but I also don't think that is the point. That doesn't mean that a film doesn't have merit, and it doesn't mean that a film can't be effective. All he added to the genre was (in my opinion, of course ;) ) a well made horror film, reminiscent of the films of the '70s that I love, with some unique characters. THAT is what I find interesting about The Devil's Rejects. Its a movie where you get to know the monsters of the piece FAR better than you do the victims. Nothing new there. But what is interesting, and in general maybe a bit different from other films, is the family dynamic. What makes it disturbing to me, and intriguing, is that at times they seem so NORMAL. Besides the bad hygiene...;) and the fact that they are brutal murderers, I mean. How they relate to one another. There is the favored child, the mostly annoyed older brother. They bicker, they eat ice cream, etc. And while this might not be a new direction to take (and let's face it, there are so few genuinely NEW ideas out there right now, that's not really a mark against it in my book), it did keep me watching, it did keep me interested, and it did.....effect me. In my opinion, it is well written, and stands on its own. And I would much rather see Rob Zombie, or any other horror director for that matter, develop interesting characters of his own and make his own movie, even if it is at times derivative, then the endless number of remakes we apparently have to look forward to.

And yes, I think the point of The Devil's Rejects is to make you squirm, make you wince, make you laugh, and make you feel a bit dirty. Like all horror should, it is meant to disturb you on some level. Its not subtle, its not tasteful.....and that's why I happen to like it. And like it a lot. I can completely see why others wouldn't though.

[AmericanManiac]

Originally Posted by jenna26

No, I don't think he has done anything groundbreaking, or particularly original, but I also don't think that is the point. That doesn't mean that a film doesn't have merit, and it doesn't mean that a film can't be effective. All he added to the genre was (in my opinion, of course ;) ) a well made horror film, reminiscent of the films of the '70s that I love, with some unique characters. THAT is what I find interesting about The Devil's Rejects. Its a movie where you get to know the monsters of the piece FAR better than you do the victims. Nothing new there. But what is interesting, and in general maybe a bit different from other films, is the family dynamic. What makes it disturbing to me, and intriguing, is that at times they seem so NORMAL. Besides the bad hygiene...;) and the fact that they are brutal murderers, I mean. How they relate to one another. There is the favored child, the mostly annoyed older brother. They bicker, they eat ice cream, etc. And while this might not be a new direction to take (and let's face it, there are so few genuinely NEW ideas out there right now, that's not really a mark against it in my book), it did keep me watching, it did keep me interested, and it did.....effect me. In my opinion, it is well written, and stands on its own. And I would much rather see Rob Zombie, or any other horror director for that matter, develop interesting characters of his own and make his own movie, even if it is at times derivative, then the endless number of remakes we apparently have to look forward to.

And yes, I think the point of The Devil's Rejects is to make you squirm, make you wince, make you laugh, and make you feel a bit dirty. Like all horror should, it is meant to disturb you on some level. Its not subtle, its not tasteful.....and that's why I happen to like it. And like it a lot. I can completely see why others wouldn't though.

I think i'm in love, Will you marry me?! :D

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by jenna26

No, I don't think he has done anything groundbreaking, or particularly original, but I also don't think that is the point. That doesn't mean that a film doesn't have merit, and it doesn't mean that a film can't be effective. All he added to the genre was (in my opinion, of course ;) ) a well made horror film, reminiscent of the films of the '70s that I love, with some unique characters. THAT is what I find interesting about The Devil's Rejects. Its a movie where you get to know the monsters of the piece FAR better than you do the victims. Nothing new there. But what is interesting, and in general maybe a bit different from other films, is the family dynamic. What makes it disturbing to me, and intriguing, is that at times they seem so NORMAL. Besides the bad hygiene...;) and the fact that they are brutal murderers, I mean. How they relate to one another. There is the favored child, the mostly annoyed older brother. They bicker, they eat ice cream, etc. And while this might not be a new direction to take (and let's face it, there are so few genuinely NEW ideas out there right now, that's not really a mark against it in my book), it did keep me watching, it did keep me interested, and it did.....effect me. In my opinion, it is well written, and stands on its own. And I would much rather see Rob Zombie, or any other horror director for that matter, develop interesting characters of his own and make his own movie, even if it is at times derivative, then the endless number of remakes we apparently have to look forward to.

And yes, I think the point of The Devil's Rejects is to make you squirm, make you wince, make you laugh, and make you feel a bit dirty. Like all horror should, it is meant to disturb you on some level. Its not subtle, its not tasteful.....and that's why I happen to like it. And like it a lot. I can completely see why others wouldn't though.

Very well put. I guess my issue is that while I do recognize that part of the point is to reverse the traditional family dynamic, I'm just not interested or compelled to watch the family dynamic.

But then again, that's me. At least now I have a bit more insight as to the popularity of the film. Thanks. :)