what does the word gothic mean?

[fluffho]

"It has nothing to do with vanity because i wear alot of different clothes but gothic is my favorite clothes."

dictionary.com

vanity:
The quality or condition of being vain.
Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; conceit. See Synonyms at conceit.
Lack of usefulness, worth, or effect; worthlessness.

Something that is vain, futile, or worthless.
Something about which one is vain or conceited.
A vanity case.
See dressing table.
A bathroom cabinet that encloses a basin and its water lines and drain, usually furnished with shelves and drawers underneath for storage of toiletries.

anyway. i said like 5 times already that i dont care how people dress. i just dont get how people will pick 'individuality' between having a job

and yes.. how you look has A LOT to do with your life. you know how many chicks are denied jobs for having chipped nailpolish? either have it on right or not at all

[Je Suis Phnomne]

having a really bad Southpark .... Gothic episode flashback

[fluffho]

"You killed Kenny! You Bastard!!

.... now kill me too, please."

was it like THAT? just a guess

[Je Suis Phnomne]

lol yeah kinda sorta

[bloodrayne]

I wear black because it happens to be my favorite color (actually, my daughter informs me that "black" is NOT a "color", but rather an absence of light in a spectrum, whatever:rolleyes: )

I like silver spikes and chains...as a "normal" person prefers gold rings and diamonds (a bit too showy for me, I'm really not into materialism, therefore I am not impressed with expensive jewelry and/or clothing)

I don't color or spike my hair...but, my daughter and her boyfriend do...Does that make us different types of people?...Hmmm...I don't think so

I paint my nails black and wear black lipstick when I feel like it, I'm not sure that has anything to do with the "type" of person I am...Maybe it simply signifies again that I like the 'color' black
I don't "whine", unless I don't get my way (but, I usually do get my way)...lol...I don't necessarily hate life, okay some days I do, but not all the time, I think that's true for most people though...If I do decide that my life sucks, I'll change it...Life is what WE make it...It isn't something that just happens to us

As for the job/appearance debate...Everyone I have ever known has had "work" clothes and a regular wardrobe...When I was younger my "work" attire consisted of jeans, t-shirt, workboots, hardhat, toolbelt and lanyard...I did not paint my nails or put on lipstick before I went to work...I also left my "regular" clothes at home...And I never wore my hardhat and workboots when I went out...lol...Now, on the flipside of this debate...The people that I know who wear suits and ties to work, do NOT wear them at home or when they go out...As a matter of fact, many of them wear whatever they like, also...Most of them wear black

You would be surprised how many of your "upstanding businessmen" are "freaks" and "goths" outside of the office *cough*Je Suis Phnomne*cough*

Am I considered "goth"?...Not by a longshot...I cannot be defined or labeled...I'm just me...I don't fit into any categories...and I don't try to...

As for attention seeking...If I needed or wanted attention, I might actually leave the house from time to time

As for "painting your face white"...I have no clue what that means:confused:...So, I can't comment

Basically...The way I choose to dress, act, look, and live are all a matter of personal preference...A choice that I make to please myself and no one else

BTW...Isn't being concerned with the way someone else looks or dresses, a form of vanity...being concerned more with what's on the outside of a person, rather than what's on the inside?

I honestly don't care how anyone dresses...Well okay, I can't stand to see girls, especially young girls, running around half naked in public...That's offensive, and it shows a lack of respect for themselves, that IS a reflection on what's on the inside...But, I keep it to myself and remain thankful that it isn't my daughter...

Would you consider my daughter and her boyfriend to be goth?...They don't fit most of your descriptions...They love life...They are very happy, well adjusted people...And they only "whine" when they don't get to see each other...which is often soon remedied...Her boyfriend, by the way, has been working consistently since he was 14...He's now 17 and has been unloading trucks for a living, at the same company for almost 2 years now...He lives on his own and pays his bills...He also buys his own eyeliner...lol...His eyebrow ring, earrings, and labrea (not sure how to spell that one) are removed for work and his long hair is pulled back...Perhaps people make assumptions about them based only on their appearance...But, they don't really give a damn either...

We know ourselves better than anyone else...The way we "see" ourselves is FAR more important than the way we are perceived by others...If people don't like us, they can stay away from us...If we don't like something about ourselves, we will change it...So, tell me...What do you think...Goth or not?.....

[avenged_soul]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
*flips hair* Conformist

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ur so adoriable! eh- not. j/k you have good intensions and a gret sense of humor but u need different wording, oh and this always works for me, be sarcastic but not, think aboot it and it will work!

[dethbyfire]

very well said bloodrayne.

as for the vanity issue i think everyone is a little bit vain. most people make sure their clothes match before they go out in public. we live in a society where everyone is trained to be vain. we are taught to care what others think about us. many people dont raise thier hand in classes as they get older becouse they are afraid of what athers are going to say if they dont get the answer correct. i dont think you can blame people for being like this because we were raised that way.

clothing style doesnt bother me. i say dress in whatever you are comfortable in. if you are comfortable in black then thats what you should wear. if you are comfortable in khakis and a collard shirt then more power to you. i wear all black because i feel "normal" in all black. my older sister is into the amican eagle type outfit. we would never be caught in eachothers style but that doesnt make eitherone of us better.

and for my final point about "goths" whine a lot. everyone also whines a lot. not to sound offensive but people are saying that goths whine about getting jobs. well as i read this forum it sounded to me that some were whining about other people whining so i guess now you dont have room to talk because you now whine like the rest.

have a wonderful day(whether you are goth or normal or whatever you prefer to be called because either way we are all the same)

[avenged_soul]

ok i agree deathbyfire,it shouldnt matter what you wear, you are also right aboot everyone being brought up in a vain world, america is based on fashion and ppl being concerned with the way they look, their weight ect. i for one dont care what ppl think aboot me, i like to wear what i feel fit in, if someone doesnt like what im wearing then they can kiss my bum.

take my brother for example he listens to the casualties, misfits and w/e , he also dresses in "punk" clothes, and is always asking me for fashion advise, yet the only reason he does and of this is because everyone else is doing it! and thats not a good reason but he thinks its fine so more power to him w/e makes him HP.

now me on the onthe hand, i dress "punkesk" and i listen to the same bands, yet i've listened to them for years, before punk was cool again, and i also adore he underground scene, and listen to bands like bob marey and the wailers, the eagles, gordon goodwin(k/a jazzy/blues), and so on. yet im the odd one in my family and at school!? i also do poetry and art and drama so what would that fall in? i have no category, no place, exact name of friends. i literally lead the most perfect life i could imagine!!! i love not fitting in any particular group, and being friends w/ the cheerleaders and jocks and the punks and the goths and the strait edge ppl and the geeks and the nonpopular ones and the administration! it soooooo great!

ok im done!

[Alucard]

Heh
Goths, Jocks . Who the hell cares .
I know who, children who hide in their room hopeing for a place to belong and then !BAM! I know I like sports just call me a jock.
Aww I hate the world . Ding Im a Goth.
Then there are those who tag others with names to feal better.
Hey man that dude likes that rap shit , hess one of those Wiggers yo. im no wigger damn aite .
Well I dont care call me as you will.
But in the end I will be standing above you as you twist in pain.







To hell with this world.

[Wicked Lady]

I have a problem with the vain people in my family, judging me by what I like to wear.....My cousins won't talk to me...My aunt sneers at me...But, do you know what?..I'm gonna look the way I WANT to look. I don't care if others don't like it..because I do, I'm not going to change my style just because I'm "unpopular" because of it...the only people I WANT in my life are the ones who accept me for the way I am, and I love them for the way they are...