what do u think god or satan looks like

[bwind22]

When will Hillary Clinton remove herself from the public eye?

We can only hope that it will be soon. Unfortunately, I see her running for President some day, (If she wins, kill me please.) so I suppose we are stuck with her for a minimum of 4 years.

[friday13thfan]

Originally posted by bwind22
When will Hillary Clinton remove herself from the public eye?

We can only hope that it will be soon. Unfortunately, I see her running for President some day, (If she wins, kill me please.) so I suppose we are stuck with her for a minimum of 4 years.

(in tune to santa clause is coming to town)

you beter watch out

i think she is a guy

im not really sure

but something ain't right

hilary clinton is coming to town

[orangestar]

Originally posted by bwind22
When will Hillary Clinton remove herself from the public eye?

We can only hope that it will be soon. Unfortunately, I see her running for President some day, (If she wins, kill me please.) so I suppose we are stuck with her for a minimum of 4 years.

aww but I love the Clintons. I just want a female president in my lifetime. Hilary will do.

[kpropain]

Originally posted by orangestar
aww but I love the Clintons. I just want a female president in my lifetime. Hilary will do.

Oh dear god NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! !!!!!!!!!!!

The country would surely cease to exist as we know it if she was president....

[Stingy Jack]

Damn it! I KNEW this was going to turn into a philosophical debate on the existence of god! I just knew it! And I wanted to participate, too!

Fortunately, the other atheists in here pretty much covered it. I still want to add my two cents, nonetheless.

"Where did the Earth come from?" The answer given by Ege was quite good. The earth was actually a ball of molten magma shortly after the formation of the sun, and according to astronomers, the moon was formed when a hurtling object hit the Earth and tore away a chunk. The magma cooled, the surface hardened and released gasses that formed our atmosphere. And take it from there, because this is beside the point. Bwind wants to know where the matter came from.

I am comfortable in saying "I don't know." I am also more comfortable in believing that matter has always been, than that some sentient being created it. Before the age of reason and the scientific revolution, people habitually ascribed answers to the unknown by chalking it up to god or gods. Rain is caused by god. Earthquakes are caused by god. That erupting volcano is caused by god. People need answers, and this was an easy way to get them. In this age, people are STILL attributing the unknown to god. The "unknown", in this day and age, being: "What happened AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF EVERYTHING?" and "What happens after death?" Science has pretty much answered everything else, so these things are where many people run to in defense of god.

In my studies of religion, I've noticed this trend: As religions were born, they became more people-friendly. People would follow whichever religion gave them the most hope. As a species, we are the only animals on this planet that realize our own mortality, and at the same time, possess that evolutionary desire to survive. We want to survive and live, but we know we are going to die. Hence, over time, we've developed these mythologies to help us cope with this gigantic conflict. For example: for a long time, Hinduism was the thing. We never die! We are just reincarnated over and over again, our new forms depending on our karma. But, people were not satisfied with that ... they wanted something to escape this cycle of death and rebirth ... and so, when Christianity came along with it's idea of "Paradise for eternity", it became quite popular (except, of course, with the powerful people of the currently established religions). That is a total example, and very cut-and-dried for the sake of brevity. My point: If cats knew they were going to die (in a way other than instinct), I'm quite sure you would see little shrines to some "Great Cat in the Sky" in litter boxes around the world. And what's better than Paradise for eternity? How about SEX for eternity!!! And ultimate, Godlike power!!! (Oh ... well, that's actually the Mormons. A very new religion, and one that still follows my pattern of "give the people what they want").

Now for the atheists: How do you know what is right and what is wrong? Who's to say morality is nothing more than individual opinion, and nobody's ideas of morality are more right or wrong than another's? (I actually spent the entire summer arguing this idea with an "Ethical monotheist" last year. It's a tough question to answer, if you take God out of the equation.)

[Stingy Jack]

As for the rock thing, it's still a bogus answer.

"Can God create a rock too large for him to lift?"

"Yes."

"Then God is not all powerful."

"But a millisecond later, he would be able to lift it if he wanted to."

"Then God is not all powerful. For a millisecond, he was too weak to lift the rock. For a millisecond, the rock was greater than god."

[orangestar]

You said that all so well Stingy. I agree with everything you said :)

[Stingy Jack]

I just realized what the answer to the rock question was as given by Bwind: In essence, Bwind says that God can create a rock too heavy for him to lift if he temporarily limits his power.

But this answer, too, doesn't make a lot of sense. God has to temporarily limit his power in order to do something that he was UNABLE to do when he was all-powerful? That sounds quite shaky. What if we rephrase the question this way:

"Can god create a rock too heavy for him to lift WITHOUT limiting his own power?"

"No."

"Then god is not all-powerful."

The question was formulated, as I've said, to show that an all-powerful being cannot exist. It's a logical contradiction ... like a square circle. You dodged the answer by changing the nature of god ... by eliminating his omnipotence. Sure, he can do it ONLY IF he isn't all-powerful. But, that's not what the question proves. The question proves that there can be nothing that is all-powerful, or limitless.

[fluffho]

i am satan.

therefore, satan looks like me

[Stingy Jack]

That explains your allergic reaction to sunlight.