what do u think god or satan looks like

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
See, that's another thing. You use "free will". Of course, you can't say that you have "free will" if you also believe that god is omniscient. Because if god knows everything, your free will is out the window.

As far as getting earth right ... ummm ... I dunno. I mean, you say you look out the window and see proof of god in the trees, flowers, clouds, etc. That's all well and good. I look out the window and think: "If I was all-powerful, I could come up with something better than this."

how does god being "all-knowing" which is what omniscient means, Take away our freewill? yes he knows wha twe are about we to do, but does he stop us? no, thats why we have freewill. it would only be when he interfied and stopped us from doing something is when we lose our freewill. and 2. you saying that, you could do a better job, of you was all powerfull, then that isn't a argument as to why there isn't a god . its a argument as to why you don't like god
o and p.s
i seriously doubt you could do a better job than god. i mean, you're always complaing about how bad movies are these days. and you can't fix that, even though you could fix that little problem.
if you had the talent. (maybe thats another thing you hate or don't believe in god???????)

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by misterX
i shall look for it, and post it. and how do you know god didn't get the earth the way he wanted it? hmmm?

Maybe he did get it the way he wanted. All I'm saying is that if I had god's power, I could do a lot better.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
See, that's another thing. You use "free will". Of course, you can't say that you have "free will" if you also believe that god is omniscient. Because if god knows everything, your free will is out the window.

As far as getting earth right ... ummm ... I dunno. I mean, you say you look out the window and see proof of god in the trees, flowers, clouds, etc. That's all well and good. I look out the window and think: "If I was all-powerful, I could come up with something better than this."

It is quite possible to believe in God without believing in predestination. God gave man free will. That means we can do as we like. God, being omnipotent, knows/always knew/always will know what we would end up deciding because to him, time does not exist. He sees the dawn of man, the end of time and everything in between in the very same blink of an eye.

Right now I could type an 'X' or a 'Y' in the next line down. I can choose either one I want because I have free will. God knows what I will wind up choosing with my own free will because he sees all of time at once because to an omnipotent being, time does not exist.

'Z'.

Ooops, with my own free will, I chose to put down a letter that was not even one of the options. You know what? God knew that's what I would do, but it was still my choice what letter to type.


As for you thinking you could create a better world... Well, I would say that's a bit blasphemous, but since you are atheist, that probably wouldn't matter to you. So let me jusy ask how your world would be better.

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Okay, here's another quote. This time from a Biology text.

"Theory: A testable explanation of a broad range of related phenomena. In modern science, only explanations that have been extensively tested and can be relied upon with a very high degree of confidence are accorded the status of theory."

This is different than the dictionary term:

"the-o-ry n., pl. -ries: 1. a. Systematically organized knowledge applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances, esp. a system of assumptions, accepted principles, and rules of procedure devised to analyze, predict, or otherwise explain the nature or behavior of a specified set of phenomena. b. Such knowledge or such a system of distinguished from experiment or practice. 2. Abstract reasoning; speculation. 3. An assumption or guess based on limited information or knowledge."

You are confusing the term as I use it in the first quote with the term in ascribed definition 3 in the second quote.

still don't see the word "fact", just a lot of assuptions, predictions, reasonings and speculation. so really really all that says is that we think this is right, but we're aren't certain.

[Freddy Krueger.]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
True, I don't know if everything is perfect in heaven. And it probably isn't, seeing as god couldn't even get earth right.

God is perfection itself. God makes no mistakes. As for Lucifer, it would be quite natural to assume that a spirit being so grossly evil would also look evil. The popular perceptions of Satan are usually either that of a sinister-looking individual in all-black clothing, or a comic character in a red suit with horns and a pitchfork, but The Bible describes Satan with "beauty" and "splendor." Satan appears righteous:

"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 RSV)

There is much written in the Bible about Satan's change of behavior, but nothing about any change in appearance. He is the ultimate evil, and yet he appears attractive and righteous. The references to him as a "snake" or "serpent" refer more to his sneaking, slithering, underhanded personality than his actual visual appearance.

There, this should answer your question. And do tell me if it does.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by misterX
how does god being "all-knowing" which is what omniscient means, Take away our freewill? yes he knows wha twe are about we to do, but does he stop us? no, thats why we have freewill. it would only be when he interfied and stopped us from doing something is when we lose our freewill. and 2. you saying that, you could do a better job, of you was all powerfull, then that isn't a argument as to why there isn't a god . its a argument as to why you don't like god
o and p.s
i seriously doubt you could do a better job than god. i mean, you're always complaing about how bad movies are these days. and you can't fix that, even though you could fix that little problem.
if you had the talent. (maybe thats another thing you hate or don't believe in god???????)

Man, if god knows all then he knew before you were born whether or not you were going to heaven or hell. And there is nothing you could do to change that. It's like, your entire life is written out for you in god's mind ... and you're just going through the motions like an automaton. You THINK you have free will, because you can't predict your future. But, if god told you everything you would do from here on out ... you would feel the loss of freedom then. The only difference is that YOU don't know. But god still does.

And I don't understand that last thing you said ... I couldn't do a better job than god because I can't fix the problem of all the terrible movies being made? No, I can't. Even if I made GREAT movies, people would still make terrible ones. Unless, I had god's power.

And I think you'll find that many members here believe I have enough talent to write a cheap horror film.

Here's my point on the "god's power" thing. If I was omnibenevolent (all good), and omnipotent, and cared about my creation (people), ONE thing I would change would be the needless sufferring of innocent people. I understand that people do bad things to other people, and it is their choice to do those things. But, I would at least make it so that they couldn't do those things to babies. I would put something in everyone's brains that made it painfully repulsive to even think about leaving an infant in a dumpster to die. But, that's just one thing. As Robert DeNiro said on "Inside the Actor's Studio" -- "If God exists, he has a lot of explaining to do."

[misterX]

Originally posted by bwind22
It is quite possible to believe in God without believing in predestination. God gave man free will. That means we can do as we like. God, being omnipotent, knows/always knew/always will know what we would end up deciding because to him, time does not exist. He sees the dawn of man, the end of time and everything in between in the very same blink of an eye.

Right now I could type an 'X' or a 'Y' in the next line down. I can choose either one I want because I have free will. God knows what I will wind up choosing with my own free will because he sees all of time at once because to an omnipotent being, time does not exist.

'Z'.

Ooops, with my own free will, I chose to put down a letter that was not even one of the options. You know what? God knew that's what I would do, but it was still my choice what letter to type.


As for you thinking you could create a better world... Well, I would say that's a bit blasphemous, but since you are atheist, that probably wouldn't matter to you. So let me jusy ask how your world would be better.

you are so much better at explaining yourself than i am.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by misterX
still don't see the word "fact", just a lot of assuptions, predictions, reasonings and speculation. so really really all that says is that we think this is right, but we're aren't certain.

I didn't say that scientific theory was "fact". I said it is "about as close to fact as you can get." This assumes that it is not actually a fact.

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Man, if god knows all then he knew before you were born whether or not you were going to heaven or hell. And there is nothing you could do to change that. It's like, your entire life is written out for you in god's mind ... and you're just going through the motions like an automaton. You THINK you have free will, because you can't predict your future. But, if god told you everything you would do from here on out ... you would feel the loss of freedom then. The only difference is that YOU don't know. But god still does.

And I don't understand that last thing you said ... I couldn't do a better job than god because I can't fix the problem of all the terrible movies being made? No, I can't. Even if I made GREAT movies, people would still make terrible ones. Unless, I had god's power.

And I think you'll find that many members here believe I have enough talent to write a cheap horror film.

Here's my point on the "god's power" thing. If I was omnibenevolent (all good), and omnipotent, and cared about my creation (people), ONE thing I would change would be the needless sufferring of innocent people. I understand that people do bad things to other people, and it is their choice to do those things. But, I would at least make it so that they couldn't do those things to babies. I would put something in everyone's brains that made it painfully repulsive to even think about leaving an infant in a dumpster to die. But, that's just one thing. As Robert DeNiro said on "Inside the Actor's Studio" -- "If God exists, he has a lot of explaining to do."

just because god knows what i am going to do, doesn't mean he controls what i am going to do. read bwinds post, he/she explains it a lot better than ido.

[KRUGERKID13]

ill tell ya as soon as i find a mirror