Worrying Censorship Developments At Hdc

[VampiricClown]

Originally Posted by Angra

That's what i'm saying.

I wouldn't call that "Targeting children".


I'm not sure he thinks about age that much while talking to females online. I think he just go for everybody who seems to go along and then see how far he can take it.

I guess he's..... Lonely.

He once told me about all the 13-14 year old girls that would finger on webcam for him. He didn't seem to ashamed of that either. He seemed to try dismissing any sort of pleasure he got out of it though....Try being the keyword.

[Angra]

Originally Posted by VampiricClown

He once told me about all the 13-14 year old girls that would finger on webcam for him. He didn't seem to ashamed of that either. He seemed to try dismissing any sort of pleasure he got out of it though....Try being the keyword.

Ok, that does it.

I'll stop defending that guy now.



Never liked him anyway. :rolleyes:

[stubbornforgey]

Yes V..the screen does turn ppl into idiots.

I truly thought the man had changed as he was discussing his up and coming
marriage and how he has turned his life around..etc.
And he chose a gullible dave ..oh boi'.

I got blasted from my silly egyptian for replying to one of trips comments in another forum
My baby told me then ..that men like this do not change overnight and by replying
..i am sending a mixed message.
Of course i debated my baby on this matter and 'lowers her eyes'

once again..of course i was wrong :o

[novadawn969]

Originally Posted by VampiricClown

He once told me about all the 13-14 year old girls that would finger on webcam for him. He didn't seem to ashamed of that either. He seemed to try dismissing any sort of pleasure he got out of it though....Try being the keyword.

Wow... that's intense.
Kinda scary.
One of my biggest phobias are older pervy men.
I have my reasons. :(



Almost makes me want to leave permanently.
To bad I trust most of you.
That means you're stuck with me. :rolleyes: ;)

[VampiricClown]

Originally Posted by novadawn969

Wow... that's intense.
Kinda scary.
One of my biggest phobias are older pervy men.
I have my reasons. :(



Almost makes me want to leave permanently.
To bad I trust most of you.
That means you're stuck with me. :rolleyes: ;)

Pervy old men are bastards and are mentally screwed.

[Marley's Ghost]

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Best To Be Kept Aware
These Predators Must Be Defeated

Some Brave Souls Have Come Forward
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[Despare]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

But...Does anyone know HOW?...I haven't got a clue...I have no idea where they get the names of people they go after...

You couldn't use that guy or anything that national probably because they look for random solicitation. Check out http://www.perverted-justice.com/ which gives some links that anybody really interested in catching him can use if they have some info.

[Disease]

Man, I'm freaked out. This shit is huge!

Trip did always seem a bit creepy to me, but I never guessd all this....

[Bub the Zombie]

Cops Go Undercover Online to Nab Internet Pedophiles
Stacy Finz, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, December 7, 1998

(12-07) 04:00 PDT SAN JOSE -- Daniel DePew and Dean Lambey's scheme was about as hellish as the minds of men can conceive: Kidnap a young boy, sexually abuse him and ultimately kill him during the making of a snuff film.

Police and FBI agents believe that the two would have carried out their scheme had it not been for several San Jose cops going undercover in cyberspace.

Detectives throughout the country are now seeing the need to focus on the Internet, where millions of young computer users are at risk of being terrorized by sexual predators each day.

Precise numbers are difficult to come by, but more and more pedophiles from around the globe are using the World Wide Web to prey on young, unsuspecting victims, investigators say. They troll chat rooms looking for naive victims. They use the Internet to exchange child pornography internationally.

And most recently, police say, they have discovered a frightening new use of technology. Pedophiles are using digital cameras to televise live, interactive molestations in cyberspace.

"The Internet is probably the best thing that ever happened to the sex trade,'' said Mike Niehoff, a high-technology crimes investigator for the San Jose Police Department. "It makes people feel anonymous and safe.''

But law enforcement officials say they are not.

Police need only to come to Silicon Valley, the center of the technology world, to follow a pedophile through cyberspace. San Jose police have been on their trail for years, and now law enforcement officials in Southern California have formed a task force to go online to catch people who sexually exploit children.

"Every piece of child porn on the Internet passes through here at some point because this is where all the major servers are,'' said Detective Steven McEwan, a member of San Jose's child exploitation detail.

In September, U.S. Customs agents and law enforcement officials conducted the biggest Internet porn sting in history. Sixty alleged members of the Wonderland Club were arrested in the United States and in 13 other countries for producing, selling and trading child pornography. Some of the defendants are also accused of sexually abusing children. The case is an offshoot of a 1996 San Jose-based investigation involving the FBI and Monterey police.

San Jose's child exploitation detail, the first of its kind in the state and the only one in Northern California, has cracked cases nationwide by posing undercover online. As early as 1984, when the detail was first formed, police realized the need for specialization when investigating child sex cases.

Eleven years later, the Sexual Assault Felony Enforcement team was formed in Los Angeles. The group, made up of officers from local, state and federal agencies, also infiltrates the Web to catch pedophiles.

"Twenty years ago, your molester would have been in the park,'' McEwan said. "Today, they come into your house via the computer.''

Politicians agree and are trying to strengthen prison penalties for pedophiles who use the Internet to look for victims.

On October 22, President Clinton signed the Child Online Protection Act. The new law would make it a crime, punishable with prison terms of up to six months and fines of as much as $50,000 per offense, for operators of commercial Web sites to make certain types of graphic sexual material available to children younger than 17 years old.

A coalition of 17 free-speech organizations filed suit opposing the statute, saying it violates the First Amendment.

Most free-speech advocates do not object to police posing undercover on the Internet. But they say that there is nothing illegal about people merely discussing their desire to perform acts that might be illegal.

"There is certainly nothing wrong with people meeting in chat rooms and sharing like interests,'' said Terry Francke, a lawyer for the First Amendment Coalition.

But if those interests extend to sexually explicit pictures being passed from friend to friend, it is a felony, according to the law.

In the Wonderland Club, prospective members were required to supply 10,000 images of kiddie porn to join, authorities said.

Investigators are now using seized pictures to solve missing- children cases.

McEwan believes that more than ever, law enforcement and parents should regularly monitor the Web.

Nearly a decade ago, Detective Jim Rodrigues, one of the early members of San Jose's child exploitation team, logged on to a computer sex bulletin board hoping to catch a pedophile. At the time, it was a fairly new technique. Before computers, undercover cops frequented sex clubs and X-rated movie houses to get their leads.

But with a keyboard and monitor, Rodrigues met Lambey and later Depew. The two introduced Rodrigues to a dark underworld that would turn the stomach of even the most jaded cop, he said.

"What they talked about would send chills down your spine and make you have nightmares for a long time,'' he said. "It's given me a heightened awareness of how fragile a child's safety is.''

During a six-month relationship, the two Virginia men exposed a plot to kidnap a boy from the northern end of their state. Their plan was to keep him in captivity for two weeks and repeatedly molest him, each time torturing him to just short of death. The men intended to murder the boy eventually and preserve the entire ordeal on videotape so they could watch it over and over again.

San Jose police were out of their jurisdiction, so they contacted the FBI. But because of the sensitive nature of the undercover operation, they were asked to stay on.

Lambey and DePew were later arrested in a Virginia motel room. The two were tried and convicted and are serving more than 30 years in federal prison.

Cases like this are rare, police agree. But incidents of adolescents having sex with adults they meet on the Internet are becoming an everyday occurrence, police say.

Earlier this year, Los Angeles officials arrested a 43-year-old Calabasas man who lured a 13-year- old Connecticut girl he met in a chat room into a hotel room to have sex.

But even more chilling, according to investigators, is the international network of pedophiles who use the Internet to trade sexually explicit photographs of minors and participate in interactive online child molestations using digital cameras.

Last year, ringleaders of a notorious Internet child-pornography operation known as the Orchid Club were sent to federal prison. The group, which met in an Internet chat room, swapped stories about child sex and exchanged sexually explicit pictures of young girls.

A former Soledad prison guard and a Santa Rosa man, both Orchid Club members, were convicted of molesting five girls, ages 4 to 10, and transmitting the images on the Internet.

According to prosecutors, the men molested a 10-year-old girl in Monterey, while members all over the world watched and participated by asking for various poses via the Internet. One man who took part from Illinois admitted to FBI agents that he joined the group because he thought the Internet was safe -- far away from the probing eyes of law enforcement.


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[PR3SSUR3]

A questionable decision once again to censor this thread, since now it seems nobody is any longer allowed to bear witness to the full build up of a serious discussion - only be shown certain modified statements and outcomes as deemed appropriate by those in charge.

This false utopia-seeking mission might suit the younger, more impressionable and idealistic members of the foum who 'just want it all to go away', but it is a little patronising to the rest of us - and probably more likely to leave a nasty aftertaste about the whole thing.

However while it smacks of Nazi book burning, the overall 'look' of the forum is obviously more important to the administrators than lack of censorship, so we will have to accept it - at least the original title of this thread has regained its significance.