what do u think god or satan looks like

[misterX]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I'll couple this with bwind's comment about the preists. Here is my #1 problem with the Catholic Church (sorry if you are Catholic, feel free to hate me):
Catholacism was started in the Holy Roman Empire, by Constantine.

Constantine was not Christian to begin with. he didnt believe in it one bit.

But, His mother was. And one day, she told him that he would die if he did not convert. So he did. And he spent an ridiculous amount of money building churches and ornate edifaces to jesus and god. and he made everyone under him convert.

So Catholacism came to be because a heretic was afraid that he would die if he didnt start praying to god.

how wrong you are. sorry to act like i know it all, ubt hey! when ya do, ya do. it's true constantine wasn't born a christian. ut he didn't convert because of his mother at all. he converted after he had a dream on a eve of a major battle, in which he stood little hope of winning. but he had a dream where if he was to paint a cross on his soldeirs sheilds. victory would be his. so he did. and it was. then he converted. i know you will dismiss this, cause a man converting the most powerful empire the world has ever seen, because of a dream/ vision doesn't sound as exciting as a man converting cause he was crazy and his mummy made him do it, to a atheist :)

[misterX]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Yeah, i enjoy people who make "absolute" statements about thuings they couldnt possibly know....

and you don't?

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Yeah, that whole thing took place at like ... 3am this morning. It was horrible. I can't stand arguing with people who strut about thinking the knowledge they made up is real. Good thing I had the sources handy.

well you need to renew your sources.

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Well, the difference here is that god supposedly knows with divine certainty. Which is different than the knowledge my friend has. Take these two scenarios:

Scenario 1:

You are born, you go through life, then one day as you are crossing the street you get hit by a car and die.

Scenario 2:

You are born, you go through life, then one day you get a message from god in a fortune cookie that says: "You will be hit by a car and die tomorrow while you are crossing the street."
You do everything you can to avoid the street. You stay home, watch TV ... then you fall asleep. You wake up in the middle of the road (sleepwalking?? You've never done that before!) and you get hit by a car and die.

The second scenario is almost the same as the first ... the only difference is you shared in god's knowledge for a brief time. But you were still unable to change your fate. (Assuming that god never lies, and is never wrong). If god knows your life, from beginning to end, then you are destined to live that life ... you cannot change it. The fact that you are ignorant of what god knows gives you the illusion that you have free will. But if you had god's knowledge of ONLY your life, that illusion would disappear. You would go through your life, knowing everything that would happen, being completely unable to change any of it.

you're still wrong, you see the thing is god doesn't go around giving us meassages in fortune cookies. so scenario 2. is redundant really isn't it?

[misterX]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I'd rather live my afterlife in a Hell like that than live my afterlife in a Heaven based on submission and servitude.

ya , you're right in hell, we'll be able to roam free far and wide doing what we want when we want. *rolls eyes*

[misterX]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
o_0

I don't know what that was, but it wasn't an argument. It was just you saying, "No, didn't happen that way, sorry".

it wasn't meant to be a argument. i was stating a fact that i know is right.

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Yes, you would know your course of predestination AND would be unable to change it. The difference, when it comes to free will, lies in what you know and what you don't know. It wouldn't feel like free will if you had god's knowledge of your life. But you don't, so it feels like you have the power of choice. But the idea is that the knoweldge is there! Only, you don't have it. God does. Here's the thing:

You say: "I have free will. Just because God knows the choices I will make, does not mean I still do not have the choice. Choice = free will."

I say: "You don't have free will. Because god knows the choices you will make, they aren't really choices at all ... you just think they are."

And I'm afraid we may have to leave it at that.

how do you know we wouldn't be able to change it?

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
I think it's crazy how religious people are like atheists when it comes to science. They are quick to say that scientific explanations are myths ... despite the obvious piles of evidence. Yet, they believe whole-heartedly in something that has no evidence at all. It's like --- Hello? Did you get your definitions for "truth" and "myth" completely mixed up?

O you're so right, there as never been any christian scientist.
and two if you're talking about me saying that the big bang is a myth well it is. there is no proof of it, thats why its called a theory. and of course there is no absolute evidence of god. thats why its called "faith". so ya ido know the diff between truth and myth. but do you know the diff between the meaning of fact and theory?

[misterX]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I know, I used to be Christian.. for six months. Mainly, I just wanted a chance to figure out what it was really all about. I really respect truly religious people, for they are some of the nicest and most moral people in the world. It's the ones that abuse it that you have to worry about.

LOL
How can you say "I used to be Christian.. for six months. Mainly, I just wanted a chance to figure out"? Did you say, " i'm going to be christian today to see what its like"? LOL it takes more than that to be a christian, jew, muslim or hindu. or what ever. faith is a lot more than just saying that you're one. more than going to church, or reading a bible

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by misterX
LOL
How can you say "I used to be Christian.. for six months. Mainly, I just wanted a chance to figure out"? Did you say, " i'm going to be christian today to see what its like"? LOL it takes more than that to be a christian, jew, muslim or hindu. or what ever. faith is a lot more than just saying that you're one. more than going to church, or reading a bible

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