victimization flicks- love em or hate em

[Angra]

Originally Posted by UngodlyWarlock

Other than that, though, I agree....I hated Wolf Creek and Hostel 2 as examples, because I generally don't like seeing a likable cast get brutally killed. I prefer the more fun "80's formula" of setting up flawed characters to get killed. It's just more enjoyable to me.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by UngodlyWarlock

I did like Martyrs and Inside quite a bit, though.

And agreed.


I guess i'm not very hardcore when it comes to these kind of flicks. :o

[neverending]

I liked Wolf Creek. Very well done, IMO.

[alkytrio666]

Originally Posted by UngodlyWarlock

Ha, people take Hostel too seriously. Eli Roth was trying to make a Gore and Tits flick, nothing more.

That's exactly what I said my problem was. Point is, if we're talking about victimization, I don't particularly care for the victims in a gore and tits movie, so why would I want to watch one? I'd rather just watch a porno, or a gory movie with better characters. Or, hell, a Troma movie- at least they know what kind of level they're working on.

[hellfire1]

Originally Posted by Angra

I guess i'm not very hardcore when it comes to these kind of flicks. :o

Awww....

You're just a cuddly little thing, aren't you?


:p

[Angra]

Originally Posted by hellfire1

Awww....

You're just a cuddly little thing, aren't you?


:p

Hug me, i'm scared.

[UngodlyWarlock]

Originally Posted by neverending

I liked Wolf Creek. Very well done, IMO.

Oh it was unquestionably well done, don't mistake me.
I just didn't enjoy it. It's not the kind of movie I choose to watch.

I'd rather watch a fun horror movie like Night of the Demons or something any freaking day of the week than a movie like Wolf Creek. I just felt pissed, depressed, annoyed, wasted my time etc. But I don't think the movie "sucks". Big difference.

I know it's probably a bit of a contradiction that I liked Martyrs so much....but it's all in the way it's presented, I suppose.

[Angra]

Originally Posted by UngodlyWarlock

I know it's probably a bit of a contradiction that I liked Martyrs so much....but it's all in the way it's presented, I suppose.

I can tell you why that is.

It's because Martyrs is not as realistic.

[neverending]

To be honest I never categorized these films as a "type" of movie. I didn't have any of these negative reactions some seems to have with certain films. In Wolf Creek we're presented with some people who are put through terrible ordeals- and one makes it out.

It seems to be the same situation as hundreds of other films to me. Some of them are well done, and some are not. I don't really need to be taught a moral lesson in a film to enjoy it. I don't mind there being moral lessons, but I don't need them. In fact, bleak, brutal movies seem pretty damn accurate in terms of the real world to me. And no- I'm not watching movies to escape from reality. Perhaps I'm different from many in that regard. There's a lot of sick, twisted crap in the world and movies that reflect this or reflect on this interest me.

I'm not arguing for gore or violence for the sake of gore or violence itself. Fronteir(s) had an intriquing story, set admidst a political and cultural framework that was unique. Fascinating movie on so many levels. To slap a label on it and dismiss it is shortsided IMO.

Wolf Creek, slightly suggested by real events in rural Australia, had a moral ambiguity that strikes me as very realistic and fascinating.

These "type" of films, if indeed they are a "type" bother me far less than the plethora of crappy awful "bad" and "campy" horror movies so many seem to have such an affection for- for exactly the same reason being debated here- they don't even have the guts or conviction to take themselves seriously. With so many filmmakers that seem to lack any faith that they have enough talent or artistry to make an original movie, they take the lazy way out and make something "just meant to be fun." That offends me more than a filmmaker who tries something different and fails.

[roshiq]

TCM (Original, remake & the beginning), Straw Dogs, Inside, Eden Lake, Ils, Frontier(s)...love em!

Last house on the left (Original), Wolf Creek, Funny Games US, Martyrs, Rovdyr...like em.

Hostel and The Strangers....hate em!

[Elvis_Christ]

Wolf Creek was awful. I thought it was a real let down. The characters were totally unlikeable and it was just a weak TCM knockoff. Storm Warning was a better effort for the Aussies but that was still pretty average.

I prefer the older stuff like House By The Edge Of The Park to be honest.