wicca

[wufongtan]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
ACTUALLY u suck, ohhhhhhhhhhh you got owned

You got owned? is that some sort of secret gay cyber acknowledgement act? The equivalent of the offline secret gay hand shake? Well if it is, I'm sorry to dissapoint you. I'm not gay.
But dont worry you can expect to see gore with his secret gay repsonce to yours. you know that PWND thing he does.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
I'm just curious here but.... "protect" yourself? From what exactly?

Do you yell HOCUS POCUS and a force field goes up? Will you be protected from bullets?

Or can you only protect yourself from obscure things, such as being hit by lightening, which more than likely isn't going to happen anyway?

Because if you can protect yourself from things like bullets... you should really do magic shows or something like that.

:rolleyes:

And how exactly do curses work? What kind of curses can you cast?

Here, I give you permission to cast a curse on me. Make my hair fall out. I'd like to see that happen. :rolleyes:

See, not once did I say "you won't because you can't." I want you to instead prove that you can. Unless of course you're going to pull something like "I don't have to bow down to you." eerr wait, I guess you already did. :rolleyes: I've yet to be impressed with any witchcraft.

Until witches are something other than the occult and supernatural, they aren't real. There's a reason why they're an underground religion.

If witches were real, a lot more people would become one in order to benefit from the "powers" of witchcraft.

Why would you want someone to put a hex on you in the first place?? And why is it that just because this is something that you dont understand or unwilling to that you have to dismiss it as treehugging bullshit?

I have been a practicing witch for nearly 20 years, I dont hug trees, or have intercourse with frogs or anything of that nature. Yes I have long hair, I am not a hippy actually I am quite a conservative. Maybe Wicca is an underground religion because of people like you that persecute us. I myself am proud of my beliefs and dont mind telling people so if they ask. If they think that it is strange thats their business. There are actually more of us than you think, and it has nothing to do with Buffy the Vampyre Slayer.

The supernatural is science unexplained in my opinion and it does exist. I have seen things and done things that I cannot explain how they work I just know that they do. I have had visions and done readings for people that I have never met and have been dead on accurate. No parlor tricks no illusions, it is all a state of mind and if you dont believe that it will work it wont for you that is the way it is.

Can we stop bullets with magick, dont really know I have never been shot at, but I know that my beliefs would keep me out of that situation to begin with.

I guess all I am trying to say is that even though you may believe that it is all BS al ot of people dont and you wont be able to convince them otherwise probably the same way I would be unable to convince you that it was real. Although I think that it would be fun to try and prove it to you. But such things cannot be done thru a faceless computer such as this.

Read a few books and decide for yourself is all I can tell you.

The Creeper

[jay o2 waster]

it is espically ignorant since wicca isn't about putting hexs on people

[Haunted]

Creeper, you are the man! I just pm'd RE in hopes that he will understnad enough to drop this conversation. I even spoke in jive. However, I do think that I shot myself in the foot.

For one thing, I pointed out that this thread was no longer around. Clearly it is, and I over looked it before. Point taken from me.

I also have a sinus infection. Handicap for me.

[Tumper]

in fact wicca or witch craft is the main form of pagan cult. and hebrew christain or islamic faith cannot be traced back to earlier pagan religions, some forms of worship like easter eggs as a symbol of rebirth etc.can be traced back to paganisim but they themselves have nothing at all to do with hebrew , christianity or islam in the true essence, the egg has been been a symbol of rebirth for centurys before christ. so it was only logical, that early christains used it asa symbol for the return of christ, it has nothing at all to do with any religuous belief of pagans being incorperated into the christain religion, the easter egg is just a symbol the early christains of the time thought of as a symbol of rebirth, it has no religous significance at all, just like any other pagan ritual. That Hebrew ,Christains or Islamic followers might incorperate into their religion

Once again you misunderstand what I wrote. Maybe this is clearer.

All Religions borrow aspects of thier faith from previous beliefs.

Islamic, Hebrew, and Chritian faiths incorporate many aspects of
pagan faiths that pre-date thier own existence.

Wicca is a distinct faith of it's own
Modern paganism is a distinct faith of its own

Both Modern Wicca and Modern Paganism are 'Pagan' in thier nature, both being polythiestic. This does not make them one and the same. Chritianity, and Islam are both Monotheistic, but are they the same religion?

If you want to discuss theology and history with me, then I think you better send me a pm, and we can continue our arguement that way.

Most people reading this thread are probably bored to fuck with us by now.

BTW: Do you work for the egg marketing board?

[Haunted]

Actually, Pagan is defined as anything that is not a part of the Ibrahimic traditions. You can be Pagan and a Witch without being Wiccan. Another tradition that would fall into the catergory of "Paganism" is Hinduism of India.

Not all Wiccans are polytheistic. Many traditions believe that the Lady and the Lord are two pieces of a greater Whole. Check out Anna Moura's take on things.

I am a true polytheist. I believe in multiple Gods. However, I am also a henotheist. I believe that there is sort of a main deity, a mother deity. The Indians would call Her the MahaDevi or Great Goddess. Classically, She is Anu-The Morrighan, Isis, Inana, and Kali Ma. (Those being the the names that ancient cultures bestowed on her).

By the way, Tumper, you're not boring, and it looks like you know your shit.

I love thea/theological discussions, as a matter of fact, most people know that I have a BA in Religious Studies. I WILL get my Phd in the subject as well. I just have to earn 30k to go to grad school.

Ah the life of a scholar is never done (I'm not being pretentious, but I am being silly)

[feral cat]

I noticed some of you seem to have misunderstood the Buffy thing, I was only pointing out the proliferation of such TV shows and movies such as the craft had increased the number of people who claim to practice these things not accusing these faiths of being driven only by Buffy! I hope that makes it clear!

… any one who describes non Christian faiths as pagan is a Christian … Hinduism etc is only paganism from a Christian stand point from a Hindu standpoint its Hinduism!

… Because all these faiths old and new are called paganism by Christianity it does not mean they are related in any way. To many people seem to be lumping Paganism, Wicca, occult and aboriginal faiths into one group when the only thing many of them have in common is that western Christianity views them as pagan!

[Tumper]

Actually, Pagan is defined as anything that is not a part of the Ibrahimic traditions

...A great guy old Abraham, but boy, has he stirred up a hornets nest!

I am familiar with Ann Moura's work. Much of what she writes is very similar to beliefs held by my Paternal Grandmother. I believe you recommended Moura's works earlier on, and I would agree that they are a must read for anyone interested in the subject of modern witchcraft.

[ Because all these faiths old and new are called paganism by Christianity it does not mean they are related in any way. To many people seem to be lumping Paganism, Wicca, occult and aboriginal faiths into one group when the only thing many of them have in common is that western Christianity views them as pagan!

I hope you don't think I am being derogatory in my use of the word Pagan. In no way do I use the word in the sense of uncivilised, or 'heathen' (now theres a word I hate). Nor would I consider myself Christian for using it in this way.

It would appear that semantics is playing devils advocate in this thread!

Just to add another 'word' to the pot...The nearest I have found to a label for myself is Pantheist, although I find myself in disagreement with some aspects of Pantheism. On the whole I prefer to remain unlabeled. It allows me the luxury of exploration.

[Haunted]

First, Feral Cat, be aware that Hinduism isn't one singular religion. It's a HUGE conglomeration of a myriad of folk religions. You're right about how Indians don't consider themselves as Pagans. They also don't consider themselves as Idol worshippers either (Idol worshipper...another good Western pejorative)

If we want to look at the title "pagan" wholistically, it only applies to "Western" religions because its a word that historically means, "from the heath." It got its insulting title from the same place that "heathen" did.

You're wrong, Feral Cat, to say that Wicca and Hinduism have nothing to do with each other. Wicca, while it's roots are older than God (quite literally) it had to reform as a religion. The founder of the Wiccan tradition was Gerald Gardner. He and many Pagan scholars birthed Wicca, the religion, by melding them with other ancient traditions. One of the most heavily borrowed from traditions was Hinduism, the other was Buddhism (another Indian tradition) A good example of this is the Wiccan notion of "Karma."

(By the way, this does in no way invalidate Wicca as a religion. All religions have borrowed, profusely, from other religions.)

I see your point about Buffy and Charmed. We Pagans and the ilk are bombarded with Silver Ravenwolf's teen witch series. A lot of the "usual suspects" from the Llewellyn crew are jumping on that band wagon. It's weird for me because I converted to Wicca in high school ten years ago (I'm no longer Wiccan, but I respect it). I don't know if I would have gone for that "teen witch" shit or not. Part of me just thinks it's degrading.

[jay o2 waster]

wow