Rob Zombie's Halloween

[jenna26]

Originally Posted by crabapple

I've heard about three hundred people say the "Fog" remake sucks horribly, but I haven't heard a single person who was able to explain why they thought this was so. "It sucks, it sucks..." Okay, but can you tell me why you feel this way? Illuminate me. I didn't think it was a masterpiece but I had no serious problems with it.

Its so predictable and so dreadfully DULL; the acting, the characters, the effects.....all of it, it was just boring. I can forgive a film a lot, I can't forgive it being a total bore. I need to be entertained at least a bit. I wasn't here, not in the least.

[Femme Fatale]

Originally Posted by crabapple

I've heard about three hundred people say the "Fog" remake sucks horribly, but I haven't heard a single person who was able to explain why they thought this was so. "It sucks, it sucks..." Okay, but can you tell me why you feel this way? Illuminate me. I didn't think it was a masterpiece but I had no serious problems with it.

300 people? I thought there was only 17 posts. Indeed. Well, if I must explain why I didn't like "The Fog" remake. Here are a few reasons (in no particular order).....The acting was crap. The so called twist for the ending was contrived. The movie wasn't scary at all. There was no chemistry between the two main actors. I was bored during their "sexy" shower scene. Not the worst movie I have ever seen in my life, however, I stick by my original comment that it was "deplorable".

[Phalanx]

I feel that this thread is futile.
FUTILE!

[massacre man]

I turned The Fog remake off when that Fallout Boy song started playing. I knew there would be nothing for me after that.

[crabapple]

You people are mean to the Fog remake. :mad:

I just kidding, you're okay. ;) ;) :eek: :rolleyes:

[Liar,liar]

I enjoyed Halloween I love all of Rob Zombie's movies there very gory and twisted hell I've even seen Zombie in concert.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by Liar,liar

I enjoyed Halloween I love all of Rob Zombie's movies there very gory and twisted hell I've even seen Zombie in concert.

I've seen Zombie an concert and, quite frankly, he scares the fuck out of me... I was in high school an I had this horrible feeling that someone was going to reach out in the crowd... And stab me.

Then again, I was a relatively paranoid teenager.

Rob Zombie himself, I think he's brilliant. Though I don't enjoy his music, I find it very easy to pigeonhole him as a person, as someone that's a mindless metalhead (not saying that I do that, but that people who do not necessarily enjoy that kind of music might stereotype him)... I love watching interviews with him, and I especially love hearing him talk about movies. I think that he has a wide range of knowledge of pop culture and, in particular, the horror genre.

His MOVIES, however, are another story, an I've been honestly wondering WHAT people see in his movies. "Gorey and twisted," it's been done. I feel as though he draws heavy influence from Texas Chainsaw Massacre and relies solely on that and his sensibilties for torture porn. Devil's Rejects was like Natural Born Killers except without... a point. I actually have a lot longer rant in regards to that movie, but I'll save it for another thread (because, honestly, I am very VERY curious about what people think of Rob Zombie as I honestly do not see or understand the appeal - so I WANT to hear from people who actually like him).

As for Halloween... Ugh...

I felt as the movie actually consisted of TWO movies...

Michael Before (The Mike Myer's Story)
Michael After (The Halloween Remake)

As for Movie I, I thought that, well, it was nothing really new. Tortured youth takes revenge on their family in a very preditacble way. Honestly, the beginning of the movie... Made me feel... NOTHING. Rob Zombie's major weakness is character development (though one can argue that that's the POINT - we are suppose to focus on the spectacle and not the characters), but in this film, I think that we're supposed to FEEL something... Maybe for Michael. Maybe for his mother.

But... I... Didn't... I never thought of Michael as a threat and I just couldn't suspend my disbelief. I felt as though Zombie was making a movie about a tortured kid. Nothing new, but could have been ok if, well, developed.

Oh, and it had a rape scene... What would a Zombie movie be without a rape scene?!

But the backstory has already been critiqued quite a bit. There's the downside that it's nothing new. Trash family and abuse at school.

But you know what else really cheesed me off? I thought that the backstory was completely unnecessary. What I really LIKED about the original Halloween is that we DON'T know why Michael Myers is the way he is. According to Dr. Loomis, he's just "EVIL."

Death has come to your little town, Sheriff. Now you can either ignore it, or you can help me to stop it.

Even though we do not get a lot of insight into the Myers' household, you get the impression that they are a normal family; the neighborhood is suburbia an their house is decked out for Halloween. Honestly, turning them into a cliched white trash nightmare was... disappointing. I prefer the concept of Michael being just... "Evil." Sociopathic. The "Bad Seed," as it were. I find that to be more chilling. Providing a backstory creates a new villian and therefore a new movie.

...

Movie II. Follows Halloween fairly closely. So closely, in fact, that I was again wondering, "What's the point? I've SEEN this already." He wants to add more blood? He wanted to add more profanity? Well, I wasn't impressed... There WERE a few parts that made me jump, which was worthy of note, but overall, honestly, I thought that Halloween was an iconic, fantastic horror movie, and did NOT need to be remade.

One strong point: The very, VERY end. I thought was incredible. I am a HUGE fan of the victim-become-victimizer. THAT was incredible. But it was a good 5 minutes out of 90. Overall, I thought the movie was superfluous. As are his movie in general.

But I am willing to hear the merits of Zombie. I am curious as to what the draw is.

[AmericanManiac]

I have to admit. . . . . . . . . . . I loved this film! I really enjoyed the "Prequal" part. The young mikey just creeped me out, little body with the myers mask walking down the hall?! :eek: Now for the rape scene, I don't take them scenes very well for some reason. But I liked it better how he got out then the theater version. I couldn't believe what I Was seeing, as for how big that Rob made michael. . . . . . I loved that as well, I really never noticed how huge he was in the theater version, Now I mean Ken Foree he is a pretty big guy himself and myers just TOWERED over him! It made it more believeable as to how he can take blows and barely get stunned. Can anyone answer this, the guy who played the grown up Myers, is he the tow truck driver from House and Rejects??

[jenna26]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

But I am willing to hear the merits of Zombie. I am curious as to what the draw is.

I don't know, I am beginning to think Zombie got lucky with The Devil's Rejects. I happen to REALLY love that film, its a recent favorite of mine. I admit it. The dialogue is sharp, it is often funny in an uncomfortable kind of way, its unapologetically brutal in a lot of ways. I think it was actually well written, smarter than the average horror film we see these days, and it was heavily influenced by the films that I have a lot of love for. Yet even with that obvious influence, I think he still managed to make it his own. But I am beginning to think it was a fluke. House of 1000 Corpses was just so generic, there were a couple of good scenes, sure, but otherwise, it was just.....nothing special. It just doesn't stand out. And it was more than just a bit annoying. The ending was awful.

But honestly, I watched it and thought, hey he has potential. His love for the horror genre is obvious. That I respect. And I did think he had it in him to make good horror films. Then, in my opinion, he made one. Instead of continuing on, and making another original film, and maybe proving that he could continue to improve.....he decided to remake a classic. That was a huge mistake. He has now made me, and lots of others I'm sure, doubt his potential as a filmmaker. Too bad. Maybe he will learn from his mistake (which I doubt, since the remake was so successful) and will go on to surprise us. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[Demonique]

Can anyone answer this, the guy who played the grown up Myers, is he the tow truck driver from House and Rejects??

Yes in Rejects, but not the same guy that played RJ in 1000 Corpses. I loved all Zombie's movies including Halloween.