what do u think god or satan looks like

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bwind22
In my opinion, it is egotistical to assume that there is no being greater than us.

Most people believe in either 'creation' or 'evolution' via the big bang.

Those that believe in 'creation' have it simple. They are willing to accept/believe that there is a God and that God created them.

Those that believe in 'evolution' don't believe that. They believe that life started on Earth due to a cosmic occurance ('The Big Bang') that led to microscopic forms of life forming in the oceans. After millions of years, here we are.

Let me pose these questions to the 'evolution' people...

"Where did Earth come from?"
(I mean before 'the big bang', where did our planet come from?)

"What created the 'Bang'?"
(If you don't know, just say what you believe.)

"Do you really believe that the existence of life on this entire planet (from the blades of grass, to the microscopic organisms in the sea, to the dinosaurs, to you), as well as the existence of this planet itself, is all one big biological accident?"

(If you really do think that, then I feel sorry for you. How depressing it must be to have that outlook on things.)

No one knows, egotism comes in thinking that, without proof, you have the answer. (read: God)

We are closer than ever to finding out what caused the "Bang". Current scientific understanding seems to indicate that there was, in fact, something before the bang. If it is so hard to comprehend all matter always having been here, how is the concept of an eternal being so much easier to believe?

Our viewpoint is not depressing, just different. I, personally, find it depressing that people will simply accept what is told to them without looking for the answers themselves. if you dont take the bible, koran, or whatever religious text as pure gospel "this is how it happened", then i applaud your open-mindedness. If you think what is written is how it happened, i have some oceanside property in Arizona i would like to sell you.

[bwind22]

I notice you didn't answer a single one of the questions I posed...

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bwind22
In my opinion, it is egotistical to assume that there is no being greater than us.

Most people believe in either 'creation' or 'evolution' via the big bang.

Those that believe in 'creation' have it simple. They are willing to accept/believe that there is a God and that God created them.

Those that believe in 'evolution' don't believe that. They believe that life started on Earth due to a cosmic occurance ('The Big Bang') that led to microscopic forms of life forming in the oceans. After millions of years, here we are.

Let me pose these questions to the 'evolution' people...

"Where did Earth come from?"
(I mean before 'the big bang', where did our planet come from?)

"What created the 'Bang'?"
(If you don't know, just say what you believe.)

"Do you really believe that the existence of life on this entire planet (from the blades of grass, to the microscopic organisms in the sea, to the dinosaurs, to you), as well as the existence of this planet itself, is all one big biological accident?"

(If you really do think that, then I feel sorry for you. How depressing it must be to have that outlook on things.)

The first two questions are the same. The earth is a by-product of the big bang.

The big bang was caused by a concentration of gravity at one center point (at the time, the only point) that attracted all the matter around it. This matter was basically just energy in all of it's forms. This turned the mass into a giant star, bigger than is humanly imaginable. When the star reached critical mass, it exploded because it couldn't stand it's own gravitational forces.

I do believe that there are much greater beings out there than us. However, that does not make them "Gods". To think that such a highly advanced being would even want to associate with savages such as us is the egotistical part, let alone help us/create such flawed beings.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the last part too.
Yes, life is one big accident. Sometimes I feel like nothing but a big fucking chimp that can use tools and talk.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bwind22
I notice you didn't answer a single one of the questions I posed...

Actually, i answered them in detail. if you dont happen to like the answers, just say so and move on.

"Where did Earth come from?"
No one knows

"What created the 'Bang'?"
We are closer than ever to finding out what caused the "Bang". Current scientific understanding seems to indicate that there was, in fact, something before the bang. (A more wordy "No one knows")

And, I apologise, i did forget to answer the last one:

Yes, it is an accident. oops.

Sorry if i come off a little pissy. I am not presenting any of this a absolute fact, just my world view, which, like yours, is shared by many others.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Vodstok
No one knows, egotism comes in thinking that, without proof, you have the answer. (read: God)

You don't get actual 'proof', it's based on faith. I see proof every time I look outside. Or look in the mirror. Or look at someone else. We (as well as the entire world) wouldn't be here if we weren't created at some point in time.

Even if a 'bang' occured millions of years ago, what came before that? If you trace the roots of this arguement back to the source, you will inevitably reach a point where there was a being beyond human comprehension. Because before the 'bang', there must have been matter in the universe, otherwise there could have been no 'bang'. So, since there had to be matter, where'd it come from? You can call it whatever you want; God, Allah, Buddah, it doesn't really matter. You can even call it a cosmic spark. What it is, is a source of origin, the reason we are here.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bwind22
You don't get actual 'proof', it's based on faith. I see proof every time I look outside. Or look in the mirror. Or look at someone else. We (as well as the entire world) wouldn't be here if we weren't created at some point in time.

Even if a 'bang' occured millions of years ago, what came before that? If you trace the roots of this arguement back to the source, you will inevitably reach a point where there was a being beyond human comprehension. Because before the 'bang', there must have been matter in the universe, otherwise there could have been no 'bang'. So, since there had to be matter, where'd it come from? You can call it whatever you want; God, Allah, Buddah, it doesn't really matter. You can even call it a cosmic spark. What it is, is a source of origin, the reason we are here.

What if there is no beginning? What if there has always been matter and life, and always will be?

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
The first two questions are the same. The earth is a by-product of the big bang.

The big bang was caused by a concentration of gravity at one center point (at the time, the only point) that attracted all the matter around it. This matter was basically just energy in all of it's forms. This turned the mass into a giant star, bigger than is humanly imaginable. When the star reached critical mass, it exploded because it couldn't stand it's own gravitational forces.

I do believe that there are much greater beings out there than us. However, that does not make them "Gods". To think that such a highly advanced being would even want to associate with savages such as us is the egotistical part, let alone help us/create such flawed beings.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the last part too.
Yes, life is one big accident. Sometimes I feel like nothing but a big fucking chimp that can use tools and talk.

Who created that mass that turned into the star?

I can see why you are depressed with an outlook like that.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bwind22
You don't get actual 'proof', it's based on faith. I see proof every time I look outside. Or look in the mirror. Or look at someone else. We (as well as the entire world) wouldn't be here if we weren't created at some point in time.

Even if a 'bang' occured millions of years ago, what came before that? If you trace the roots of this arguement back to the source, you will inevitably reach a point where there was a being beyond human comprehension. Because before the 'bang', there must have been matter in the universe, otherwise there could have been no 'bang'. So, since there had to be matter, where'd it come from? You can call it whatever you want; God, Allah, Buddah, it doesn't really matter. You can even call it a cosmic spark. What it is, is a source of origin, the reason we are here.

Edit: doh.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
What if there is no beginning? What if there has always been matter and life, and always will be?

Well, what created the spark that set off the big bang then?

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bwind22
Who created that mass that turned into the star?

I can see why you are depressed with an outlook like that.

No one did. What if it has always just been there?