ET phone .....Vatican..lol

[Dude Guadalupe]

I'm not a fan of organized religion or much anything else organized, but I won't take shots at them. My question is, if the catholic church has acknowledged the possibility of extra terrestrial life for years already, then why is it such a big deal now? Why is it just now making headlines and getting radio air time? And how long until they acknowledge the possibility of bigfoot, loch ness monster, and the chupacabra, or the possibility that Elvis still lives? Ok maybe not the Elvis part, but still.

It just seems unimportant, anyone who was going to believe already does regardless of their religious affiliation.

[neverending]

Well, of course Elvis lives!

[Papillon Noir]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

Found the unicorn bit:

In Job 39:9-12 God asks, "Will the unicorn be willing to serve you, or abide by your crib? Can you bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after you? Wilt you trust him, because his strength is great?"

Not sure where they still stand with Unicorns.

I think that translation is from the old king james bible, here's the one from the new american standard bible in which a wild ox is mentioned, not a unicorn:

"Will the (A)wild ox consent to serve you,
Or will he spend the night at your manger?
Can you bind the wild ox in a furrow with ropes,
Or will he harrow the valleys after you?
Will you trust him because his strength is great
And leave your labor to him?
Will you have faith in him that he will return your grain
And gather it from your threshing floor?"

Unicorn comes from the latin meaning "one horn" and considering all the translations that bible has gone through, including latin, it does not necessarily mean they were talking about this:

[Ferox13]

ahh I'm sure they meant Unicorns..honestly..

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Despare

Wait a second, you're saying somebody who is deeply religious and committed to the church of their denomination cannot pursue and achieve a degree in anything they're interested in? The religion has no bearing on the skill of the astronomer. I wonder if it was Funes...

I completely agree, i just do not entirely trust their motivation. Churches in general have a shady history of twisting the truth to serve their own needs.


Yes, I am completely cynical about the whole thing.

[PhilmPhanMan]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

DAmn - why would i do that - the opposite, i welcome what u add to to this.




Wow - this is news to me (not that I've any knowledge on the subject) but I have never heard a single statement made by the Church with regard to Aliens. Would you have any references/links to this.

I guess it does make sense (though I'm not 100% in agreement that it takes a colossal amount of blind faith and a complete disregard for objectivity not to believe) in that the Church has to move with the times. It wasn't that long ago that they believed in burning heretics alive..



Yup named him in the first post:


'Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space.'

First off, THANKS for being so cool to me. :) This subject holds great fascination for me and I have done many hours of research on it. A friend and I had a very real UFO sighting as well.

There is a great deal of information on UFOs and the alien community but as I stated, that information is GREATLY suppressed. This information is also kept in a very sidelined (made to be suspect) channel of availability to the public.

I apologize if I came off in a way that made it seem as though a UFO skeptic were an idiot. I am a VERY skeptical person by nature and this subject, as all subjects of a Fortean nature are, subject to great and necessary skepticism. That is until such subjects as bombarded with so much scientific scrutiny that denying their plausibility is simply no longer possible.

The film that NASA has taken and that has been leaked to high level UFO researchers is simply astounding. How does craft that literally is on satellite digital imagery tape containing 1 mile (that's right, I said 1 mile) in diameter space craft, that has been subjected to the most serious of analysis, go unknown to the general public? High level government suppression. That's how.

I highly recommend the following for an introduction to the reality of things you won't find taught in schools or within the immense confines of organized religion.



http://theufostore.com/Merchant2/mer...oduct_Count=29

A great deal of the information contained in this interview series is of a truly incredible nature. I suggest taking random bits and pieces if the information and then researching that information objectively on your own. You will be SHOCKED at the substance that information bears out. So much so that you will start taking a much closer look at the whole nine. This series is available via Netflix as well.

It's so critical to understand the origins of any organization. One such organization is the Catholic church. It's also critically important to understand what the bible really is and more importantly what language it's many books that make it up were originally written in.

Aliens were in fact mentioned in the old testament. They are the Nephilim or Nefilim.

[_____V_____]

Science and devout Churchists have been at constant loggerheads for awhile...

...maybe this is a way of blending the two forces together. (The guys at the Vatican have become cool?! :rolleyes: )

"We need a proper sense of God, one derived in the dialogue between religion and science," he said in an address on the implications of Martian life to the American Association's annual meeting in Seattle.

"We have always believed that God created all things. If he created life elsewhere, then fair enough."

Shows their stance on things as they stand.

I wonder if a startling revelation from the scientists looms in the horizon as we speak...

[Ferox13]

Aliens were in fact mentioned in the old testament. They are the Nephilim or Nefilim.

I've never heard them called such but i'm not exactly well read on it.

I'm skeptical about most things as most people should be - you never get to hear the truth - information in most forms tends to be twisted by the agenda of those relaying it.

I really don't know if there are Aliens and I've not done enough research to even discuss in detail but i would hazard a guess at saying we don't know the full story with regards to what people generally refer to 'Close encounters' etc.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

I completely agree, i just do not entirely trust their motivation. Churches in general have a shady history of twisting the truth to serve their own needs.


Yes, I am completely cynical about the whole thing.

You're very right, like everybody the church does manipulate "facts" to further their agenda. Human nature I'm afraid. As cynical as you are about this I am about almost everything. :)

[Nightmare-elm2112]

Vodstok

Religion has no place in government.l End of story. Morality does not require religion.

to my knowledge, the catholic church is the only leg of christianity that has a ruling counsel that tells people how to think and live.not to piss on your beliefs, but i have a problem with the people directing it.

Dont think i am picking on just catholicism, though. i have a problem with anyone or group that tells people how to think.

I am not trying to offend anybody but i ran in to a lot of Bible thumpers.

I am a christian but thees people took things way overboard.

One of them thinks disney is the root of all evil and she said that disney world has a homosexul day.

i also told her i was playing kingdom hearts for the ps2 and she looks straight at me and says Jimmy i think you have been dancing with the demons for far to long.

One man sad that the devil was trying to reach me through sonic the hedgehog.

They even said my cousin was going to go to hell:mad: I dint even ask for theme to tell me that i was just telling theme to pray for him and thats what they said.

Thees people were very judgmental if you did not do it the way they believe your going to hell. and a lot of theme thought that harry potter was evil and some of them did not.

Well on the alien subject most of theme say that god would of not crated other beings on other planets. and to them your wrong if you think so.