Have you ever had a supernatural experience?

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Originally Posted by rachMiel

Of all of these, connecting to one's unconscious mind seems the likeliest to me. My take on the collective unconscious is that, sure, members of the same species have similar brains, bodies, experiences, feelings, etc. The jump to World Mind is too much of a leap of faith for me.

It does seem likely to me that minds can be read, to some extent. I picture it as a type of transmission, like a radio wave, but (currently) undetectable by science. I also think it likely that future events can, to some extent, be foreseen. Again, inexplicably.

What seems most plausible to you?

I'm convinced of mind reading. Subconscious to subconscious reading can't be much different. That's the most likely.

[rachMiel]

And what's your take on precognition? Not best guessing, extrapolating into the future based on past/current events. Rather: An ability to see future events.

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Originally Posted by rachMiel

And what's your take on precognition? Not best guessing, extrapolating into the future based on past/current events. Rather: An ability to see future events.

You're really going to ask about this? Well, that's a difficult one.

First off, there's a difference between knowing "the actual future" (if that were to exist) and 'sensing coming events' or being told of scheduled events.

Personally, I don't believe there is an unchangeable future... neither in the capital 'D' Determinism sense, nor the 'has already happened' sense, nor the 'can travel to a real existing future or past' sense. I believe there is only now. (Although I've had some experiences that could be construed to contradict that.)

Science Research
Having said that, scientific studies have demonstrated "Predictive physiological anticipation preceding seemingly unpredictable stimuli". Stuff like, subjects are shown 'random' images that evoke physiological responses, that is: like horrific or sexual images that cause measurable changes in the body. Subjects have demonstrated physiological changes (sexual response) -- matching the stimuli immediately coming (sexual image), before that stimuli (sexual image) was viewed. Many different types of studies, not just the one I'm describing, displaying results well beyond chance. (current source http://www.zmescience.com/research/s...inds-04143122/)

To anyone interested, I recommend the book "Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking", which is an easy-to-read, entertaining book (written by a writer, not researcher) describing many of the studies, intuition, & practical & interesting subjects related to it.

From what I read of the researchers, it's generally agreed, that there's some physical stimuli being experienced to cause the knowledge, but the nature of the stimuli & perception isn't understood. I think that's certainly in the big subconscious realm.

Anyway, there's people who 'predict', or is it sense info, correctly with consistency in regards to sports, economic markets, award & election contests, by apparently using means beyond "obvious practical concrete research". But again, that suggests reading current info, not 'future' info.

Prophesy
Prophesy is a different animal. Foretelling of future events that one learns from a vision/dream -- like a visitation from angelic/spirit/spacealien conversation, etc, that reveals an event will take place. You have Nostradamus, Daniel, etc.

Again, with these visions, the fact that the event then occurs doesn't mean 'the event already existed' or was unchangeable.

In the area of weather & famine, weather is likely extremely predictable (& unchangeable by 'indigenous' human/animal activity). Sensing future climactic events is extraordinarily impressive, but still makes logical sense.

In other predicted events, such as wars, deaths, change in regimes, if you take the Bible as an example, if God is telling a prophet what's going to happen, (which he is told to tell the people, so when it then happens, people know God did it and why he did it). I think one can naturally assume God has to power to make these things happen through a voluminous number of means, over a great period of time; so that it's silly to ascribe the prophecy to 'seeing the actual future', as opposed to seeing or hearing a representation of what has been 'scheduled'.

Relating to current, or non-God-prophets, such as a psychic/fortuneteller making event predictions... a number of beings can find out about events that have been scheduled by powerful forces, and then tell others about it, these revelations can seem Deterministic when they are simply controlled in the present.

Then of course, there's the scientifically well demonstrated Power Of Suggestion -- such as the placebo effect. Many 'predicted events' are heavily influenced by this... subconscious & foolish 'self-fulfilling prophesy' actions people do; but everybody should already know that.

[rachMiel]

> Personally, I don't believe there is an unchangeable future... neither in the capital 'D' Determinism sense, nor the 'has already happened' sense, nor the 'can travel to a real existing future or past' sense. I believe there is only now. (Although I've had some experiences that could be construed to contradict that.)

So no block universe guy you, eh? If there were a block universe, some people might have the ability to move their consciousness to different times, like moving a play cursor through an audio file.

> Relating to current, or non-God-prophets, such as a psychic/fortuneteller making event predictions... a number of beings can find out about events that have been scheduled by powerful forces, and then tell others about it, these revelations can seem Deterministic when they are simply controlled in the present.

In other words, some people are just good predictors, extrapolators. Futurists make careers on this.

I don't have a theory for how it works – beyond some kind of wave transmission – but I have this gut feeling that it is possible to sense a future event.

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Originally Posted by rachMiel

> Personally, I don't believe there is an unchangeable future... neither in the capital 'D' Determinism sense, nor the 'has already happened' sense, nor the 'can travel to a real existing future or past' sense. I believe there is only now. (Although I've had some experiences that could be construed to contradict that.)

So no block universe guy you, eh? If there were a block universe, some people might have the ability to move their consciousness to different times, like moving a play cursor through an audio file.

Nope, not a Block Universe guy (Block Universe/Eternalism = all points in time are equally 'real', as opposed to the Presentist idea that only the present is real). Some people might have the ability to move their consciousness through different times even if there wasn't a Block Universe -- because there's history books, pictures, home videos, and maybe lots of other types of records we don't realize exist (like the proposed Akashic Records). People who practice Remote Viewing (pick your term) purport their consciousness perusing over the past.

Originally Posted by rachMiel

> Relating to current, or non-God-prophets, such as a psychic/fortuneteller making event predictions... a number of beings can find out about events that have been scheduled by powerful forces, and then tell others about it, these revelations can seem Deterministic when they are simply controlled in the present.

In other words, some people are just good predictors, extrapolators. Futurists make careers on this.

I don't have a theory for how it works – beyond some kind of wave transmission – but I have this gut feeling that it is possible to sense a future event.

Sure, like when someone's hair stands-on-end just before a lighting strike. Like foreseeing a birth when you see a woman looking pregnant. We sense processes. I bet there's a lot of processes going on that our conscious minds don't recognize; things are extremely interrelated. Doesn't mean time 'exists'.

I think time is an abstract way to describe motion, particularly (apparent) constant motion. It's an abstract 'dimension', necessary for making dates, plans & predictions.

[ImmortalSlasher]

I believe I've come across ghosts a few times. I posted about it here some time ago.

[MichaelMyers]

Originally Posted by ImmortalSlasher

I believe I've come across ghosts a few times. I posted about it here some time ago.

Would love to read those experiences. This is where we need V.

[horcrux2007]

https://www.youtube.com/user/grav3yardgirl

This youtuber used to post a lot of paranormal videos.

If you want to watch any of them, you have to go WAY back because she doesn't do any of those kinds of videos anymore. She had a bad experience in someone's house with a ghost box.