what do u think god or satan looks like

[bwind22]

Hey do you guys remember like an hour ago when I said I didn't want to turn this into a religious debate?



Yeah, sorry about that.


:p

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bwind22
Well, what created the spark that set off the big bang then?

Nothing did. As the matter was gathering to create the giant mass that eventually became a star, it gained more and more gravitational force (basic physics lesson: the more mass an object has, the more gravitational force it has). When the mass hit a certain point, it became unstable and created a star. When the star gained more and more mass, it became unstable and exploded.

[orangestar]

Originally posted by bwind22
In my opinion, it is egotistical to assume that there is no being greater than us.

Most people believe in either 'creation' or 'evolution' via the big bang.

Those that believe in 'creation' have it simple. They are willing to accept/believe that there is a God and that God created them.

Those that believe in 'evolution' don't believe that. They believe that life started on Earth due to a cosmic occurance ('The Big Bang') that led to microscopic forms of life forming in the oceans. After millions of years, here we are.

Let me pose these questions to the 'evolution' people...

"Where did Earth come from?"
(I mean before 'the big bang', where did our planet come from?)

"What created the 'Bang'?"
(If you don't know, just say what you believe.)

"Do you really believe that the existence of life on this entire planet (from the blades of grass, to the microscopic organisms in the sea, to the dinosaurs, to you), as well as the existence of this planet itself, is all one big biological accident?"

(If you really do think that, then I feel sorry for you. How depressing it must be to have that outlook on things.)

I dont believe in any higher being. Sorry to dissapoint you, but my outlook is exactly that. Our existence is one big lucky (for us) biological accident. I do believe there is life on other planets somewhere. Just thinking about how BIG outer space is just freakes me out. Anything could be out there. Remember the end of Men in Black where the giant aliens were playing marbles with the milky way? That could happen theoretically I guess.

There's no proof of the 'creation' theory, but we have actually proof of evolution, and I am a scientificallly minded person. So I have to go with the proof.

[Vodstok]

It was something, i will grant you that, but i do not assign a persona or a belief system to it. There may very well be a God. If so, he deals with everyone in his own way. I think not believing inhim without proof will fall pretty far behind child molestation and beheading innocent civilians, so i am content with my outlook of the unisverse, until i see something a little more convicing than "existance". There are plenty of good explanations where god doesnt enter the equation.

Sorry to anyone this bothers, but i have always equeated faith with ignorance. Why ask questions when someone has already told you answers you are comfortable with?

That would be fine, if it wasnt put to bad use soo often. Think for yourself, ask questions, look for answers (not just in 1 book...), and if you come back to God in the end, so be it. That is your answer.

Different beliefs, different destinations....

[orangestar]

Originally posted by Vodstok
It was something, i will grant you that, but i do not assign a persona or a belief system to it. There may very well be a God. If so, he deals with everyone in his own way. I think not believing inhim without proof will fall pretty far behind child molestation and beheading innocent civilians, so i am content with my outlook of the unisverse, until i see something a little more convicing than "existance". There are plenty of good explanations where god doesnt enter the equation.

Sorry to anyone this bothers, but i have always equeated faith with ignorance. Why ask questions when someone has already told you answers you are comfortable with?

That would be fine, if it wasnt put to bad use soo often. Think for yourself, ask questions, look for answers (not just in 1 book...), and if you come back to God in the end, so be it. That is your answer.

Different beliefs, different destinations....

Amen brother.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
No one did. What if it has always just been there?

So, what you're saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that you think our universe has always existed, since before the beginning of time even though there was no matter in it?

Wouldn't that just be empty space?

How could worlds form from nothing?

Remember that matter never increases or decreases, only chages forms and density.

So, let's say that the universe has always been here in human terms. There is no time to God, so it's entirely possible that even though the universe seems to have existed forever to us, it is nothing more than a blip on the radar for a being that is not bound by the constraints of our human time.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Nothing did. As the matter was gathering to create the giant mass that eventually became a star, it gained more and more gravitational force (basic physics lesson: the more mass an object has, the more gravitational force it has). When the mass hit a certain point, it became unstable and created a star. When the star gained more and more mass, it became unstable and exploded.

You're missing the point.

Where did that matter come from?

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bwind22
You're missing the point.

Where did that matter come from?

We don't know. I certainly don't believe some omnipotent being created it (especially seeing as the bible dates history back a mere 10,000 years, and we have scientific proof that the Earth alone is nearly 4 billion years old).

Coincidence? Most likely.
Created by some mystical white guy with a beard wearing a sheet? Probably not.

[Vodstok]

Why must it always come back to some being?

For one thing, there are many layers of complexity here.

Matter is made up of energy, so matter may not be able to be destroyed, but it can be converted.

We exist in one dimension. There is more than satisfactory proof that other dimansions exist. Maybe there WAS absolutely nothing, but a leak was made that caused energy and/or matter to find it's way into our dimension.

There are types of matter we have yet to discover, other types we have yet to study. The rules change with scale. impossibilities on our scale are regular on a quantum scale, and at larger scales.

There is plenty beyond human comprehension. To me, the easy way out is to say someone had to do it. it is a dark, scary, lonely way to look at everything if you dont accept that there is a big brother out there taking care of us and everything else.

But to me, it is very freeing. I knwo I am a good person, because i am a good person. I dont have some fear that i will burn in hell if i do something wrong, i just believe in right and wrong. It is possible to be non-religious and still be moral.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Vodstok
It was something, i will grant you that, but i do not assign a persona or a belief system to it. There may very well be a God. If so, he deals with everyone in his own way....

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Different beliefs, different destinations....

Good points. It seems to me like you may be the only one seeing what I'm saying here. I'm not trying to force anyone into any religious beliefs, and to be completely honest I have never seen any actual scientific proof that God exists either.

To me, God is a being far beyond our scope of comprehension. He is not bound by any of the rules we know and that alone, makes it a very hard thing to comprehend. I've studied several of the world's religions (a hobby I took up in college) and arrived at the conclusion that there is one similarity in almost every one of them. There is a higher power. That's it. There's something greater than us that is responsible for us (or at least created the universe as we know it). It doesn't really matter what human label you put on it.