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[Baron Von Marlon]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

Yes, subtitled, dubbed, or an audience that doesn't understand the language, it's not the way the director intended it. I considered that a given. I concede that was a poor choice of phrasing on my part; however, I explained what I meant by it, which was not the least bit bullshit.

Point taken.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

You seem to forget subtitles are also a translation of the original dialogue. Dub or subtitle, it's the same translation, good or bad... the subtitle writer can get it right or wrong, same as dub writer. Or were you just on a tangent? You can't lump that one in on dubs over subtitles.

They are. But you you can still hear the original voice, intonation, emphasis,...
So I would only miss out on the wrong translations. So, in my case, subs over dubs.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

I love the voice as well, and the voice cast is important to me. I agree with you. But one tends to lose things in both cases: sub or dub. The question comes down to which film characteristics are more important to you personally

To you, the voice of the actor cast is more important than missing other film aspects. That's great. I'm not disputing, nor insulting, that value. (Or, you read so fast and well, you never miss anything. That's great too. I'm happy you're that adept at it. Not everyone else is.)

I'm not saying the voices are more important. They're just as important as other aspects.
I'm no genius or anything, I just don't have problem with watching and reading subs at the same time. Should it happen that I miss something, I'll rewind.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

For me, the most important aspects are the visuals, as it's a film; not a book, nor primarily an audio art form. It sucks that the voice is not the same as the actor, but that's one defect I prefer to the other option: missing a random mix of dialogue, facial expressions and background information. That sucks worse for me.

So you prefer visuals over audio. Don't agree, but I understand.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

You can say watching dubbed films is lazy... but you should know that's a very cliche, inaccurate, uninformed, and thus, lazy statement. I read a wide array of subject matter all the time. Laziness it not my motivation. I've already clearly stated my reason. If you want to say I'm lying, you're wrong. Do you really believe I haven't studied an array of scholastics and have no interest in other cultures? Don't lump me in with the woefully uneducated and culturally uninterested, just because I prefer dubbed to subtitles. That's not a logical correlation.

Not saying you're lazy, but in general I think it's lazy.
I think if people tried a little harder, they might adapt and dubs wouldn't be necessary. Except maybe the deaf, those bad of hearing and kids up until a certain age

I know you're not some dumb 'murican. Probably should've started our discussion with that.

[roshiq]

The Invitation (2015)



>>: C


The Finest Hours (2016)



>>: B-

[Angra]

Originally Posted by roshiq

The Finest Hours (2016)



>>: B-

I don't know exactly why, But I was quite bored throughout this one. Might be because I didn't really care about the fate of any of the characters.

[Roiffalo]

Hellraiser II & III

Started out as just background noise so I could try out some werewolf designs, buuuuut I started paying a little too much attention to them and once again got nothing done... Maybe I should play BAD movies when I draw?

Originally Posted by Baron Von Marlon

You MIGHT miss a little and if that's the case there's the rewind function.
And during action and/or scenes with a lot of special effects, there's usually less or no dialogue anyway.

To me it's about the art. People get casted for several reasons, I'd like to think their voice is one of those. It's part of who they are and therefore part of the character they play.

I hate rewinding a movie, especially when I'm watching it for the first time. Takes me away from the film and I feel less invested after I'm caught up.

Like I said I agree and do love subs over dubs on most occasions. I especially got uptight about it during my anime phase some time ago. America can't dub worth shit half the time. I swear they pick voice actors in from off the street sometimes. If I didn't get used to it or it didn't get better that's when subs came into play.

It's a "to each their own thing" really. 8)

Originally Posted by Sculpt

Exactly, my sweet Roiffalo!

I've watched a lot of subtitled films, but I'm pretty much done with them. Has to be a very special film for me to bother.

Last subtitled films that were a good experience for me was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Kung Fu Hustle and Journey to the West. Might notice a trend there... Asian films with slow and simple enough dialogue.

Really, I'm not a speed reader, and I'd just assume kiss a Wookie to trying to catch every typed word while watching a film. Some subtitled films are fine for me (amount & speed of text), others are ridiculous. I'll never know going-in which it will be.

Also, (like some of what Roif was saying) I appreciate the artistry of FILMS and BOOKS, and loathe the unintended jumbled mutant breed of the two. The directors didn't intend to have their audiences' eyes dragged along the bottom of the screen reading text. I want to catch everything going on in the film, as intended. I don't think I can always absorb all the facial acting and important background information while reading the bottom of the screen. I don't enjoy trying. If I don't enjoy it, why would I do it, unless it was important beyond simple entertainment?

Besides, growing up on Japanese cinema and TV, and being a sound guy, I have a high appreciation for good dubbing. And I've enjoyed a lot of very entertaining dubbing. It can be done very well, and I'd like the film industry to build that industry with more professional english dubs. With increasingly good non-english films being produced, there's a big market for it.

Yeah having ADD doesn't help either when watching subs. I don't think this relates to anything you said but it made me think of it. Recently I watched two subbed movies, and enjoyed them very much. Only time I found them bothersome was when I get distracted by a sound or my eyes linger too long just anywhere, and I miss a line and have to rewind. It's annoying but tolerable. But it's also why I can't even read books anymore without a plot line or characters that'll just suck me in almost literally. Otherwise I stare at the page thinking about all the things I could be doing instead. Also why I prefer short horror stories as apposed to long ones.

[Angra]

"Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" 8/10

I don't remember if it was Marlon or MichaelMyers (or somebody else) who recommended this movie to me a little while ago, but whoever it was, thank you. It was a lot of fun and I was laughing my ass off throughout the entire silly story. Instantly became my favorite John C. Reilly comedy.

[Ferox13]

HUSH
Absolutely nothing new in in this home invasion movie but it was well crafted and pretty tense. The guy from Newsroom made a surprisingly good bad guy.. Nice that there was no stupid twist either.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Marlon

I think if people tried a little harder, they might adapt and dubs wouldn't be necessary.

Actually, I do think you're correct, people do learn to read subs faster & better with practice, of course. Ironically, I've been leaving the Closed Caption on for everything I watch on Netflix (& some other formats) for some 5 years now. It's because I hate it when actors say something undecipherable! Drives me nutso! (which seems to be more acceptable to the industry)

I'm sure I hear things wrong sometimes -- but 80% of the time I ask the person watching next to me, they didn't understand it either, & apparently, they usually don't care. That, & I'm sure they hate when I ask.

So, I've gotten a lot of practice reading "subs" that way. I guess I hate missing dialogue more than watching with CC/subs.

Originally Posted by Roiffalo

Only time I found them bothersome was when I get distracted by a sound or my eyes linger too long just anywhere, and I miss a line and have to rewind. It's annoying but tolerable. But it's also why I can't even read books anymore without a plot line or characters that'll just suck me in almost literally. Otherwise I stare at the page thinking about all the things I could be doing instead. Also why I prefer short horror stories as apposed to long ones.

Oh ya, I'll rewind to catch what missed, & freeze-fame the big text. It does take you out of the immersement of the story. One reason I sometimes prefer dubs, like the good old Godzilla films.

Yep, like you said, sometimes I'll be reading a book, & then I'll find myself staring past the page, daydreaming about something else. That ADD?

[Baron Von Marlon]

Originally Posted by Roiffalo

But it's also why I can't even read books anymore without a plot line or characters that'll just suck me in almost literally. Otherwise I stare at the page thinking about all the things I could be doing instead. Also why I prefer short horror stories as apposed to long ones.

Same here.
It's one of the things I love so much about Lovecraft stories.
Not too many characters and one decent plot.

Originally Posted by Angra

"Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" 8/10

I don't remember if it was Marlon or MichaelMyers (or somebody else) who recommended this movie to me a little while ago, but whoever it was, thank you. It was a lot of fun and I was laughing my ass off throughout the entire silly story. Instantly became my favorite John C. Reilly comedy.

Glad you liked it.
I think it's quite underrated and one of the better spoof movies.

[Angra]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

Yep, like you said, sometimes I'll be reading a book, & then I'll find myself staring past the page, daydreaming about something else. That ADD?

That's me as well.

Really doesn't help that I read at the speed of snail.

[Angra]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Marlon

Glad you liked it.
I think it's quite underrated and one of the better spoof movies.

Maybe not a lot of people have seen it due to its awful cover.