In Order To Be Fair, I Need The Opinions Of EVERY Member Of This Forum...Old And New

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Everything turns you on Matt.

[Zero]

Originally posted by crabapple
Point #1 All you of horror.com are silly monkeys.

Point #2 *I* am not a silly monkey. *I* exclude myself because *I* have a brain and therefore I am better than a silly old monkey.

Point #3 Why don't you run along, little silly monkeys. Take your bananas and, you know, like, eat them. Ha ha ha, Monkey, Monkey, Monkey. Ha ha ha ha ha I am superior I am the Smart Monkey ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh that was good. wwhoooo!

BAN HIM!! BAN HIM!! BAN HIM!!

[PR3SSUR3]

As for profanity...I personally don't think "cunt" "cocksucker", and any or all insults/words of a derogatory nature in regard to sexual preferance, or race should be ablt to enter into the forum.

Shit, bullshit, fuck...whatever, those are pretty commonplace and as long as theyre used within moderation, that's ok

Q: Assuming the following is a genuine quote from just ten months ago, where might it fit into your protocol?

ChEEbA wrote on 10-20-2005 12:28 AM:
eat a sack, mommas boy.
you should get the shit knocked outa you, think i wouldnt?
i'd piss allover your slut mother in front of your busted up face

[Zero]

Originally posted by mattc_099
Mmmm, monkeys turn me on....:o

uhm. . . maybe its time i was leaving. . .

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Phalanx
I didn't return to be insulted, or baited into taking a step towards the negative again...I'm the first to admit I have a short fuse, but I'm trying not to let that effect me, it doesn't help when a person/people make it their sole intention to ignite it.

Everyone...PLEASE make a note of the above statement If you attack Cheeba, in ANY way, he WILL go off...It's that simple...Just DON'T do it...Would it really be that difficult just to ignore him if you don't like him?...Thank you in advance for compliance

Originally posted by Zero
its almost a pity we can't have that ignore key you get in some chat rooms so you could just not see the posts of certain members

Actually...We HAVE been blessed with that feature here...Some just choose to ignore it :p

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
BR: I think you're doing a great job at pretty much singlehandedly moderating this place.

Honestly...Zwoti does a lot more here than I do...especially since I have my hands full with the baby...He's just not as 'visible' as I am....He's the 'Ninja Mod' ;)

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
I'm a newbie and I have been treated pretty bad so far and if this kind of stuff keeps up I don't want to be associated with this forum and I would/will encourage others to do the same if I decide to leave.

Baby doll, That's the usual reaction of every 'normal' person that comes to this forum...This place is NOT for everyone...We are a bit of a different 'breed' here...Those who choose to stick around, eventually begin to understand 'how we are' here...It's much more 'laid-back' than most other places...It can be an affront to the senses and sensibilities of a new person who isn't used to it

It's kinda like when a person watches a horror movie for the very first time, if they have only previously watched chick flicks, dramas, and politically correct crap...It would be shocking, intense and offensive...Know what I'm saying?

If you DO choose to leave...We will all understand why you felt you had to...

Like I said, it isn't for everyone...And not everyone can handle it, or cares enough to try to...It's actually JUST like watching horror movies :)

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
While it's true that we can turn the other cheek, we shouldn't HAVE to do so because we are ALL allowed in the forum and we all have rights.

No...We don't HAVE to...But, it sure helps to cut down on the bullshit

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
Respect them all and be nice to eachother and then you won't see these type of discussions.

Oh...We will ALWAYS have 'these types of discussions', as well as many others of this nature...As we always have, long before you even heard of Horror.com....

As for 'being nice to each other'...We CANNOT be expected to do that all of the time...Not at this forum, and not in the real world...Life just doesn't work that way...We would all be completely FAKE...

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
Keep your opinions to yourself and you won't have these problems..

But...We LOVE opinions here...This entire forum is based on sharing opinions...I feel that if someone doesn't like someone, they should be able to say, "Damn...I REALLY don't like you"...I don't see anything wrong with that...It's HONEST...It's REAL....But, the childish, constant, personal insulting, and shit slinging is uncalled for...I can actually FEEL my IQ dropping when I'm subjected to that bullshit

Originally posted by bwind22
Members should be allowed to voice a complaint to you and at that point you can scope it out and make a decision...

That's how things have been handled up to this point...But NOW, my 'decision' has been called into question...That is why I am consulting all of you :)

Originally posted by bwind22
a guy who spammed the entire forum with total bullshit for a couple hours in a row

Cheeba...Please read this...I want you to consider this for a second....It is your position that you were unfairly attacked, with NO PROVOCATION....I honestly believe that it's this type of action (not this SINGLE act, but this TYPE of action in general...You have been known to 'go off' a time or 2) that might give some members the 'provocation' to attack you...I'm not saying that it's right to attack you ( no one should be attacking anyone here), I'm just offering up a little 'probable cause'

Originally posted by bwind22
I guess what I'm saying is that I think everyone here trusts your disgression and if they don't, tough shit, because you're the moderator. Either they can get over it or go somewhere else. Maybe get rid of 'It Stops Now' and replace it with a 'Mods Have Discretionary Jurisdiction' thread...

You know what?...I could TOTALLY adopt that kind of attitude...I really could...I could be the biggest bitch this place has ever come in contact with...But, I don't think it's fair...And I wouldn't want someone to do it to ME

This forum would be a completely different kind of place with that type of constriction

I completely get your point, though...And I SERIOUSLY hope that everyone else here considers that, too

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
If I'm merrily posting around and someone makes a nasty comment for no reason, no adult reasoning on Earth is going to keep me from answering in kind.

This is understandable...And always overlooked...No one has ever been banned for that

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
Everybody deserves another chance without being TOO harassed.

I urge everyone to consider that

Originally posted by orangestar
people have gotten away with much worse in the past, and I would hate to see this forum turned into a place where members are censored. If we ban someone for this, the line will be drawn and it will just keep getting drawn further back until we have nothing interesting left to talk about because we can't voice our opinions without getting banned.

I am hoping this thread will help us find the 'happy medium' for this exact situation

We are setting a precedent here...We have to be very careful

Originally posted by The Flayed One
If we decide that Dep needs to be banned over this, where does that leave a good majority of us with the way we treat ThomasGeorge? I mean, seriously, the guy seems to take it in stride, but almost EVERYONE here insults him in almost every thread he makes.

EXACTLY

I think that Vod's original point holds the key to this entire thing...We KNOW that thomasgeorge is okay with the prodding...Just as we also know that Cheeba is NOT

Originally posted by Angra
But now i don´t know if i cross the line of what´s right or wrong anymore. I´m the same irritating person that i´ve always been, but i´m not sure if i´m alowed to be so anymore.

I don´t like to make excuses everytime i pull someones leg. Then the fun stops emidiately.

This is why 'the line' needs to be more clearly defined...We don't want EVERYONE here to end up feeling this way...Afraid to post...Afraid to speak our minds...That would suck SO bad

Originally posted by The STE
There's not really a good clear-cut definition, but you know it when you see it. You can't say "Oh, if you do this, this, this or this then you'll get banned" because one could find exceptions or loopholes to any of the rules if they tried, and the only thing you can do to prevent exceptions or loopholes is by making some concrete, air-tight, blanket rule like "If it offends someone you're banned" in which case you may as well ban everybody because what's offensive or not is subjective and anybody can say they were offended without any proof. So basically you can't really have a clear set of rules for it, it kindof has to be incident-by-incident.

And therein lies the ENTIRE dilemma...It's all subjective...One man's insult, is another man's joke

How can you etch a rule in stone, when it's based on human emotion...and matters of individual interpretation and perception?

Originally posted by Despare
If somebody says they think I’m an opinionated, sarcastic asshole then fine, that’s their opinion; but if somebody dedicates a thread to it or constantly incites me with personal insults in every thread I post in then they’re trying to start something.

There has to be some leeway because everybody can’t just “all get along”, that simply isn’t human nature, but we can control ourselves and not make constant verbal assaults.

Agreed...Everyone, PLEASE read this one...If there is ANYTHING in this statement that someone disagrees with, or doesn't understand, please make it known so that it can be discussed and clarified



Wow...Ran out of room AGAIN...Last part coming up...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
The core of this group is tightly knit enough, I think, to get away with a lot of profanity and strong subject matter. And we take full advantage of it too; I think it's safe to say that we're a very harsh crowd when compared to other forums or chatrooms or internet whatcha-macallem's.

That being said, dulling this place down would be like putting a gun to our heads... suiciiiiiide. We need the loose lingo, the slingin' slander. It's what makes (or made, in the eyes of some) this forum interesting and unique.

if you hate somebody and want to give em' the old verbal haymaker, do it in a PM or through some other form of communication. We all know there's rivalries here, we all know there's tension between members and groups. But banning won't do much of anything; we need to grow up and keep the trouble out of the spotlight.

Applauds...Excellent...Thank you :cool:

Originally posted by mattc_099
Seems to me people just need to lighten the fuck up and not take things so seriously, but then again I've always been a hard person to offend, I know how some people can be easily offended by something that another person may only mean as a lighthearted remark.

Reading through this thread, I don't think this guy should be banned just judging on what he's said. But hey, I only joined this morning and I don't know any past history of anyone.

All i mean is that if someone is purposefully going after someone repeatedly making hateful comments towards someone without merit, and it's obviously that's he's just doing it to be rude and will continue to do it, then sure, ban him.

But really, if you are going to ban someone who just offhandedly says, "you're a loser" or slips up and tells someone THEY suck instead of their opinion, then I think thats going way too far.

I agree with this...And, I am this type of person, too...Especially this part "I've always been a hard person to offend"....BUT...Not everyone is the same...And we have to find a way to take that into consideration, to try to achieve some peace for the entire forum

Thanks for your input



Okay...After all of this...Here are my overall suggestions (Thanks Vod and Hammerfan)


PLEASE consider WHO you are speaking to when you make a statement, and whether or not they may respond negatively to it.....If you KNOW that the comment you intend to make WILL create a war with someone, do NOT make that comment to (or about) that person....

Some people can handle it...Some people will play along with you...Some people will hit you right back in a funny, or intelligent way...And some may hit back with the same force you give them, and THEN...let...it...go

But...Some people just have to be left alone

So, pretty much, if you know you are going to cause a shitstorm...You are fucking up...Just stop

If you throw a rock at a Poodle, it will most likely yap and whimper...But, if you throw a rock at a Rottweiler, chances are you may be eaten....So, we choose not to throw the rock...We should be intelliigent enough to figure this out...


Thank you everyone for helping out here...I seriously hope that we have accomplished SOMETHING

Thank you Cheeba for keeping it rational



So then...With that...What do we do about Murderdoll (if she shows up?)

[Vodstok]

Thats it. Prozium for everyone. Emotions are getting out of hand, so the Grammaton Clerics are putting an end to your sense offences.

[PR3SSUR3]

Everyone...PLEASE make a note of the above statement If you attack Cheeba, in ANY way, he WILL go off...It's that simple...Just DON'T do it...Would it really be that difficult just to ignore him if you don't like him?...Thank you in advance for compliance

That's a tough one. It is asking for special treatment to tread carefully around one member just because they say now they have special needs.

While it is perfectly reasonable to ask that the forum does not behave in an inflammitory fashion just for the sake of it, or deliver direct profane insults (despite the dubious track record of the member in question), is it reasonable to instruct that an 'attack' on this person must not happen?

This is far too open to abuse - many debates and arguments are won through attack. I think it is essential to clarify the difference between forceful opinion and personal, derogatory insults or defamation.

[Vodstok]

Maybe we should color code our comments:

Inflamitory
Kidding
Sorta Serious
You Suck
Lipstick

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
That's a tough one. It is asking for special treatment to tread carefully around one member just because they say now they have special needs.

I was afraid that it would appear to come off that way..BUT..This is what I meant.....While we shouldn't be ripping on ANYONE, most of us take it in stride or in jest...People react differently to different situations....Cheeba has shown us and TOLD us, that he WILL go off if attacked...Therefore, the obvious solution is just to avoid that altogether...the concept isn't really that difficult to grasp...


And just as you are so lightly, yet deliberately testing what we are trying to define as 'the line'...Others are aware of THEIR intentions also.....So, have a little giggle at your cleverness, and then drop it

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I think it is essential to clarify the difference between forceful opinion and personal, derogatory insults or defamation.

Unfortunately, as this thread has demonstrated...It is extremely difficult for many people to make that distinction...Because, it is based on a matter of personal feeling and tolerance levels...That is why we can only rely on personal discretion and consideration

I think we covered that already...