Tim Burton's "Alice in Wonderland"

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by Doc Faustus

Just my opinion.I don't think a person should use a piece of source material if they don't really care about it.

I definally know what you mean with regards to this film but if you look back and take a look at horror and its use of source material i think you have to disagree to some degree...

Though the earlier Frankenstein and Dracula(and Carmilla) films of both Hammer and Universal definally tryed to hold a bit true (and have some regard for) their literary origins the later films in both series were more removed and increasily exploitative of the original works.....But despite this I still love films like Taste the Blood of Dracula, Lust for a vampire, Frankenstein Created woman and the House of Dracula/Frankenstein..

And beyond that - look at what Stuart Gordon did to Re-Animator - I'm sure Gordon has a love for Lovecrafts works but his film adaptations of Re-Animator an dthe Beyond would have 'real' fans and Lovecraft spinning in his grave....

[fuglystick]

Teetering on the pretentious ITT

[Ferox13]

I'm actually looking forward to it but I really just expect Burton, Depp and HBC going thru the numbers though the latter looks great from the trailers...

[Doc Faustus]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

I definally know what you mean with regards to this film but if you look back and take a look at horror and its use of source material i think you have to disagree to some degree...

Though the earlier Frankenstein and Dracula(and Carmilla) films of both Hammer and Universal definally tryed to hold a bit true (and have some regard for) their literary origins the later films in both series were more removed and increasily exploitative of the original works.....But despite this I still love films like Taste the Blood of Dracula, Lust for a vampire, Frankenstein Created woman and the House of Dracula/Frankenstein..

And beyond that - look at what Stuart Gordon did to Re-Animator - I'm sure Gordon has a love for Lovecrafts works but his film adaptations of Re-Animator an dthe Beyond would have 'real' fans and Lovecraft spinning in his grave....

I think the Hammer Draculas did make their own aesthetic and it was a good one, taking things that were repressed in the original because Stoker was scared to death of human sexuality and bringing them to the fore. From what I've heard from Tim Burton, he doesn't seem to get the book or understand its merits very much and while sex doesn't make Dracula less Dracula, a fantasy adventure plot makes Wonderland less Wonderland.

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by Doc Faustus

I think the Hammer Draculas did make their own aesthetic and it was a good one, taking things that were repressed in the original because Stoker was scared to death of human sexuality and bringing them to the fore. From what I've heard from Tim Burton, he doesn't seem to get the book or understand its merits very much and while sex doesn't make Dracula less Dracula, a fantasy adventure plot makes Wonderland less Wonderland.

I totally agree with you with Hammer creating its own cannon out of the Dracula (and Frankenstein) series and for the most part it really did work and was in the Vein of (lol) the original novels but at the end of the day i would be suprised about how many of the directors of the films/series i mentioned really read the original novels...

I really like Twins of Evil but I really doubt that the director really gave the original Carmilla novel (which is where the The Karnstein Trilogy+1 prety much comes from) much thought.....I don't think its a case of them getting the book but not needing too...

[Ferox13]

On a side note - whats the 3D like in Alice?

[Doctor Loomis]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

On a side note - whats the 3D like in Alice?

its freakin sweet. go check it out :)

[horrorsniped]

Damn...don't know which one to take my girl too.....

-Shutter Island
-The Crazies
-Alice In Wonderland (Tim Burton).

grrrr...!!

[Doctor Loomis]

Originally Posted by horrorsniped

Damn...don't know which one to take my girl too.....

-Shutter Island
-The Crazies
-Alice In Wonderland (Tim Burton).

grrrr...!!

alice in wonderland tbh

[Doc Faustus]

Originally Posted by horrorsniped

Damn...don't know which one to take my girl too.....

-Shutter Island
-The Crazies
-Alice In Wonderland (Tim Burton).

grrrr...!!

If you're looking for a date movie, go with Alice, as scuzzy a thing to do as it was, though I'm hearing really good buzz for The Crazies.