fucking terrifying

[PR3SSUR3]

Try not to get in a flap kiddo. You've already been told that the mystical basis of religious doctrines are fundamentally flawed in their suggestion of higher powers because they invite violent exploitation from human nature. The religions are wrong, as proven by the people who follow them. They keep the meek weak and give the aggressive a reason to run amok. Or maybe that is within God's great plan? Ha ha - a debate for another day perhaps.

I'm guessing you're not well up on your Freud, so you won't know he thought females were deformed males - and I guess comedy isn't your strong point either.

Tell you what, here is my proof that there is no God:-

\/(21) x 76t/92832.23 (52/32+a+d)
(x=y2 b12.09023) x 2323.23t |z| = ea1.999 + x dx/x+b - tan(x)
sin(232) = cos(23.5ea) x rnd3 [a+23b] + \/(16-a2)
n(6) x 23.2 [te3], 232.23/23(a+d-e) = 663.6 |abd(2)| (+ rnd3)

You're so uncool.

:cool:

[The STE]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Try not to get in a flap kiddo. You've already been told that the mystical basis of religious doctrines are fundamentally flawed in their suggestion of higher powers because they invite violent exploitation from human nature. The religions are wrong, as proven by the people who follow them. They keep the meek weak and give the aggressive a reason to run amok. Or maybe that is within God's great plan? Ha ha - a debate for another day perhaps.

I'm guessing you're not well up on your Freud, so you won't know he thought females were deformed males - and I guess comedy isn't your strong point either.

Tell you what, here is my proof that there is no God:-

\/(21) x 76t/92832.23 (52/32+a+d)
(x=y2 b12.09023) x 2323.23t |z| = ea1.999 + x dx/x+b - tan(x)
sin(232) = cos(23.5ea) x rnd3 [a+23b] + \/(16-a2)
n(6) x 23.2 [te3], 232.23/23(a+d-e) = 663.6 |abd(2)| (+ rnd3)

You're so uncool.

:cool:

YOU'VE already been told that the actions of people only prove that people are the problem. The actions are wrong, even the religions they claim to follow say so.

[PR3SSUR3]

Now that I have disproved the existence of God, everything else seems rather irrelevant.

[The STE]

a) you haven't disproved the existance of god. b) it doesn't change the fact that people are responsible for their own actions.


But if you'd like to end the discussion, that's fine. But don't do so under the assumption that you have proven yourself right by any means. Religion (not a particular organization, not The Church, but the religion its self) is not responsible for people committing acts that are against its rules. Period. Religion (again, not a particular organization, not The Church, but religion) is not bad. You've made arguments based entirely on organizations, the actions of people claiminng a particular religion, but none on the religion its self except that people don't need religion (the people who need it seem to think so), and that God doesn't exist (which ignores the religions that don't follow the Judeo-Christian/Islam idea of "God"/"Allah"), neither of which you have proven (a joke equation is not a proof). Despite all your claims and references (but not uses of) logic and science, and your references to 'non-bias' people who would totally be on your side except they've been strangly absent from the thread, you have not given a CREDIBLE bit of argument to back up what you've said. All you've given is your opinion, touted like it was fact.

But, yeah, if you want to just end this here, sure.

[PR3SSUR3]

The actions of people only prove that people are the problem... and who do you think defines the religions the people worship? I think it might be people.

And my equation is no joke - it is irrefutable proof.

[The STE]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
The actions of people only prove that people are the problem... and who do you think defines the religions the people worship? I think it might be people.

And my equation is no joke - it is irrefutable proof.

And we've gotten to twisting peoples words around.

And if your equation is such irrefutable proof, then explain it to us lowly non-math-geniuses

[PR3SSUR3]

These are your words, I haven't twisted them around - merely used them against you.

The equation is already explained in its simplest form.

[The STE]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
These are your words, I haven't twisted them around - merely used them against you.

The equation is already explained in its simplest form.

Yes you have because you knew full well what I meant by what I said. The people that are committing the atrocities are the problem. The people that defined the religions seemed to think that killing was wrong, seeing as how it's one of the core tenets of all the major religions.


and no, the equation is not explained in any form. If you leave the equation as is with no explanation, it will be ignored. Do not try to use it as part of your argument again unless you plan on explaining it.

[PR3SSUR3]

Some rather dubious instructions from Islam, apparently the world's fastest growing religion:-

"O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing" (Sura al-Tawba 9:123).

"Fight against those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger, have forbidden - such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book - until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humbled" (Sura al-Tawba 9:29).

"The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" (Sura Al Ma idah 5:33).

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." (Sura AL-BAQARA 2:16) The Quran

>eek!< And from The Bible, representing the biggest religion in the world today:-

"Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, as a long hind and a graceful doe, let her breasts satisfy you at all times." (Proverbs 5:18-19)

"Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I said, 'I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine and the fragrance of your breath like apples." (Song of Solomon 7:7-8)

Cor! Grabbing a woman's breastses!

"Now when evening came David arose from his bed and walked around on the roof of the king's house, and from the roof he saw a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful in appearance. So David sent and inquired about the woman. And one said, 'Is this not Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' And David sent messengers and took her, and when she came to him, he lay with her; and when she had purified herself from her uncleanness, she returned to her house. And the woman conceived, and she sent and told David, and said, 'I am pregnant.'" (2 Samuel 11:1-5 )

"There were two women, the daughters of one mother; and they played the harlot in Egypt. They played the harlot in their youth; there their breasts were pressed, and there their virgin bosom was handled.... she lusted after her lovers... and she bestowed her harlotries on them, all of whom were the choicest men of Assyria.... for in her youth men had lain with her, and they handled her virgin bosom and poured out their lust on her.... And she lusted after their paramours, whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys and whose issue is like the issue of horses." (Ezekiel 23:1-20)

Rape and prositution?

"And it came about after these events that his master's wife looked with desire at Joseph, and she said, 'Lie with me.' But he refused.... And she caught him by his garment, saying, 'Lie with me!' And he left his garment in her hand and fled, and went outside. When she saw he had left his garment in her hand and had fled outside, she called to the men of her household, and said to them, 'See, he has brought in a Hebrew to us to make sport of us; he came in to me to lie with me, and I screamed, And it came about when he heard that I raised my voice and screamed, that he left his garment beside me and fled, and went outside.'" (Genesis 39:7-15)

Attempted infidelity, and subsequent accusing of rape?

"And Lot went up to Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, and his two daughters with him.... Then the firstborn said to the younger, 'Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.' So they made their father drink wine that night, and the first-born went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. And it came about on the morrow, that the first-born said to the younger, 'Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.' So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father." (Genesis 19:30-36)

Incest... after first drugging the father.

"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with a man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like...'" (Genesis 19:4-8)

A city of homosexual men... bent on raping. Too bad they had to make do with two virgin daughters.

Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off (Leviticus 20:2-5). If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed (Leviticus 20:12). Homosexuals must be executed (Leviticus 20:13). People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death (Leviticus 20:27). A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death (Leviticus 21:9). Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you (Leviticus 23:29-30). "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse (Exodus 22:18). "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed (Exodus 22:20). The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. He even insists that they are to be "a perpetual statute" to all humankind (Numbers 19:1-22). God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." (Numbers 15:3, 13-14, 24). After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." (Numbers 16:41-50). God repeats his order (see 1:51) to kill any strangers who happen to come near (Numbers 3:10).

The two biggest Religions on the planet are based upon these texts. It is not difficult to see they are conveyors of bad ideas, and that their 'good' principles are borne from savagery and exploitation. The Bible is little different to the script of Cannibal Holocaust.

My equation is complex and watertight, and cannot be reduced down any further to suit other needs. If you do not accept it that is fine, nothing has changed apart from this proof of no God - and it is perhaps fitting that such proof be conveniently impenetrable by blinded believers.

[The STE]

if we're gonna turn this into a "Look what the bible tells people to do! EVIL! EVIL!" thread, then allow me to quote my favorite passage:

Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. Leviticus 19:26


Damn those clocks. Work of the devil, I tells ya. There are many passages in the bible/koran that are open to interpritation. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" seems pretty straightforward. And I don't recall the Catholic priests fucking children in the name of the lord.