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Old 06-29-2004, 10:40 AM
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Created by some mystical white guy with a beard wearing a sheet? Probably not.
GANDALF the WHITE?

sorry.....continue with your serious philosophical talk. I'm going back to the Monty Python thread.............NI
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:41 AM
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:41 AM
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"But to me, it is very freeing. I knwo I am a good person, because i am a good person. I dont have some fear that i will burn in hell if i do something wrong, i just believe in right and wrong. It is possible to be non-religious and still be moral."

EXACTLY!!!!

I don't understand why people think that you're a bad person if you don't believe in God. My morals and beliefs are much stronger than those of many, many religious people I know. It's a crutch, a tool that people use so they don't feel so lonely. I can't base my life on lies and half truths, sorry.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:43 AM
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We don't know. I certainly don't believe some omnipotent being created it (especially seeing as the bible dates history back a mere 10,000 years, and we have scientific proof that the Earth alone is nearly 4 billion years old).

Coincidence? Most likely.
Created by some mystical white guy with a beard wearing a sheet? Probably not.
Well, the matter had to come from some where right? So when you figure it out, let me know what you come up with.

The Bible dates human history. It is common knowledge that our planet has been around for millions of years. I don't think anyone that reads/believes in the Bible would try to tell you that the dinosaurs were here 5000 years ago.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:44 AM
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"But to me, it is very freeing. I knwo I am a good person, because i am a good person. I dont have some fear that i will burn in hell if i do something wrong, i just believe in right and wrong. It is possible to be non-religious and still be moral."

EXACTLY!!!!

I don't understand why people think that you're a bad person if you don't believe in God. My morals and beliefs are much stronger than those of many, many religious people I know. It's a crutch, a tool that people use so they don't feel so lonely. I can't base my life on lies and half truths, sorry.

to quote you: EXACTLY!! Not having religion does not mean I am a bad person. There are milllions of ways that the earth COULD have been created, I just happen to disagree with a lot of the world on one way.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:45 AM
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Well, the matter had to come from some where right? So when you figure it out, let me know what you come up with.

The Bible dates human history. It is common knowledge that our planet has been around for millions of years. I don't think anyone that reads/believes in the Bible would try to tell you that the dinosaurs were here 5000 years ago.
What do you mean dates human history?
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:46 AM
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I have always thought the fact that so many cultures have a "higher power" was similar to why so many cultures have their own versions of vampires and werewolves, not to mention man-beasts.

Humans have the tendancy to rationalize things in a very similar way, no matter where you are on earth. how many old religions had a thunder god? A sun god? how similar were they, culture to culture?

Just because everyone believes that unicorns are white, doesnt mean they are, if you catch my drift.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:48 AM
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But to me, it is very freeing. I knwo I am a good person, because i am a good person. I dont have some fear that i will burn in hell if i do something wrong, i just believe in right and wrong. It is possible to be non-religious and still be moral.
I couldn't agree more! Some of the best people I know are 100% atheist. And then you have Catholic priests molesting little kids.

So you are 100% right about that! Being religious doesn't mean you are a good person and being non-religious doesn't mean you are a bad one.

Anyways... I got to get going. Good discussion guys! I hope I didn't piss anyone off too much. I have taken the stance that we will all have to agree to disagree.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:49 AM
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I have always thought the fact that so many cultures have a "higher power" was similar to why so many cultures have their own versions of vampires and werewolves, not to mention man-beasts.

Humans have the tendancy to rationalize things in a very similar way, no matter where you are on earth. how many old religions had a thunder god? A sun god? how similar were they, culture to culture?

Just because everyone believes that unicorns are white, doesnt mean they are, if you catch my drift.

One of the first things I noticed on my path to Atheism is how the Greeks, Romans, Christians, Buddhists, etc. All believe(d) in such different things. Who is so arrogant to say that their religion is "the right one". Who the fuck knows which is right? I just took the easy path and said none of them are right, at least not for me.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:51 AM
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What do you mean dates human history?
The amount of time human beings have been around as opposed to the amount of time the world has been around.
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