Horror in movies and video games

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by Media_Guy_Josh
you said tactics cant be taught by a game, i cant agree with this- medal of honor, full spectrm warrior, socom, and MGS all do this...

"tactics" are alot easier to come by whilst sitting in the comfort of your lazy boy recliner, feet propped up, and of course the ability to press PAUSE, to either reflect, or take that proverbial nature break. Try learning tactics while the whizz of a projectile barely misses your face and you can feel the heat almost sear your flesh. Try learning tactics while you crawl through a field, attempting to do so while not being discovered, then all of a sudden the sky illuminates showing your exact position, and the mortars start rocking the earth beneath you as you feel that all too familiar warmth of shitting your pants and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it except hope they either run out of ammo or think they have killed you and stop firing.

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the soldiers that came back from Vietnam....Think they got desensitized to death and violence while shooting at people, and having to kill women and small children to save their own lives while fighting in a war? Don't think so.......How many ended up with severe emotional baggage? Lots......Probably most of them....

this begs the question of how they did it at the time, a human being is programed at birth to respond in a certain way to a person in danger, it goes againstr the thing that defines us from most animals...to kill a person is to go against everything that makes us civilised, and is not undertaken (usualy) lightly...a GI does basic training to become able to kill...fieldcraft comes into it, but mostly to learn to kill.

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As for your comment on the Columbine shootings, that's rediculous...That was one person......It's not as if a whole school full of Doom players all went on a rampage shooting everything in sight with a rocket launcher.........As for the kid shooting 8 times and managing 8 hits while cops only manage half of that........It's easy to hit 8 people out of however many HUNDREDS there were in that room.......You could close your eyes and fire into a crowded room and hit 8 out of 8..........That point holds no weight with me at all.......

there were 2 people in collumbine...im nitpicking, were talking a headshot here...dead with a single bullet.

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Wow, ignorance amazes me sometimes........Why come here and ask for opinions, but by your own admission aren't looking for someone's opinion, you're trying to illicit a point....That's irrelevant though....

well, sorry

thanks for the response

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Media_Guy_Josh
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to kill a person is to go against everything that makes us civilised, and is not undertaken (usualy) lightly...a GI does basic training to become able to kill...fieldcraft comes into it, but mostly to learn to kill.

actually the most importand training a GI gets (other than to handle his weapon) is how to obey orders without question.
This is neccessary in war .. you arent supposed to think, just react. Higher ranking soldiers do the thinking.
This is why your will and individuality is broken in training .. you have to bond as a group and work as one man.

The most powerful tool in enabling someone to kill a person from another country they've never met before (other than self survival) is propoganda.
The enemy on bothe sides paint the other as being the devil.
I agree that it would be very hard for me to knowingly shoot some kid with a life of his own .. as equally scared as me ...just because our governments told us too.
We are taught from birth that killing is wrong, live and let live .. and then along come these circumstances that throw all of that back in our face.

I'm glad i never had to participate in anything like this.
I have a problem with athority and i would probably have been excecuted for shooting my own commanding officer.

[Vodstok]

Okay, my opinions started piling up to the point where i couldnt read any more, so sorry if any of this has been covered.

For the rexcord, the MArines used a version of doom for training. It was used to train the soldiers to work as a team, so basically tactics. I am an incredible shot within the world of video games. However, in real life, i am a terrible shot. Hand eye coordination used in operating a mouse is entirely different from the hand eye coordination used in aiming a gun. there is 0 correlation between the two.

I would like to see a reliable source on the supposed kid making 8 headshots in 8 shots. sounds like a case of "a kid at my school saw this magazine article when he was on vacation, so trust me, its reliable":rolleyes:

there is 0 Accountability on the creators of violent video games for desensitization or killing. this is why there are ratings on games. a 12 year old will not turn into a murderer/rapist from killing hookers in GTA. Killing demons in doom will not desensitize a kid to the deaths of fellow students. Playing games will not make a kid a marksman.

The world has been and will be filled with sick people. It is also filled with lazy assholes that will jump ion any bandwagon necesarry to further their own agendas. Does the average 60+ year old person incongress LIKE video games? Do they like horror movies? Music Videos? Rap or Metal? No. they are trheatened by what is new and different. Plus, too many of them are in the "Religious Majority". In many cases. their views are almost naziesque. Did watching TV make them like this? Did repeated viewings of Leave it to Beaver give them a fear of everything that isnt Christian and White-bread? nope. it was the same thing that makes kids kill, and turns harmless nerds into serial killers:

Upbringing, and whatever psychological issues they developed on their own.

You cant even blame violent porn for creating a rapist. The ju7mp from fantasy to creatying a reality is entirely in the hand sof the individual.
if a generally "good" person stumbles over some child porn on the net and then starts molesting kids, there wiring was bad to begin with. there is a choice made, even if he suddenly realises he has an impulse upon seeing these things. He can report it to the FBI. He can avoid that page and pretend he never saw it. he can act out on what he saw, performing the same crime.

Everyone is responsible for their own actions. When it is determined that they arent, it still isnt the fault of the "influential media". if a person can be swayed by these things, they are not emotionally or mentally fit to exist innormal society ANYWAY, so they should be locked up/institutionalised.

End of story.

now, if i could only convince congess of this...

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Okay, my opinions started piling up to the point where i couldnt read any more, so sorry if any of this has been covered.

yep it was all covered...

read the posts next time you lazy bugger :)

[EXTR3MIST]

Speaking of Columbine, try and find Duck! The Carbine High Massacre created by the very promising William Hellfire & Joey Smack.

There was brief unease about Manhunt in the UK over some copycat incident or other... the protracted death scenes in this game are fucking awesome, and get more savage as the game progresses.

Now, pass me that sickle!

[Vodstok]

Anyone here feel like committing a homicide?

Me either.

I am such a fan of violent media, that i aspire to produce it in almost every form (art, games, literature, film). i cant wait until i get blamed for something awful happening.....:rolleyes: