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i am personally offended by the idea that man descended from monkeys - that's not evolution, its devolution.
we monkeys hang out in trees, eat, sleep and screw around - - - its you stupid humans who pollute, kills, and generally screw everything up. Monkeys of the world UNITE!
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Yes!
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Same here....this bloody machine
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Congrats, there is officially nothing in there to argue that I haven't already argued at least twice in this thread. There's some bizzare and nonsensical hypothetical conversations that are the exact opposite of the subject at hand and does nothing for your side of the argument, theres some stuff that actually supports my argument, and some definate generalizations where you seem to think that people need to argee with every little minutiae of a religion before subscribing to it. Hate to break it to you, but nobody does that. EDIT: BTW, if you're going to talk about religion as a whole, then you probably SHOULD be able to talk about something other than christianity
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So we are understanding that people make up their own interpretations of religion to suit themselves, including the bad guys who exploit the concept's potential power to bring pain and suffering to millions. That even though all the divine and spiritual rules and guidance for life which can be achieved independently through oneself without subscription to any cults or churches, it can instead be bandwagoned and jumped on to give power and significance to religious organisations and leave them open to menace and corruption instead of us carrying the can within ourselves?
Still think religion isn't a bad thing? People do not need religion to be sociable, civil and develop naturally. Religion needs people to fight it's cause because - as you say - everyone wants different 'beliefs'. And it is within this blind faith that mass exploitation and terror occurs. We do not need it - it gives purpose to fear and tyranny. My fable suggests one does not need to prove negative what has no basis. And Haunted, science is not a religion; it is a knowledge and a skill of factual understanding. The word is being bent out of of shape and desperately applied to any form of commitment.
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Disagreed - anything cannot be so exploited by people who want to do horrible things, certainly not so obviously and directly as a set of rules which decides that people are lesser beings and must follow a set of (variable, stay on your toes) rules upon fear of extreme consequence and punishment both in life and in death.
Violent films are a created physical product, not in the same sense that religion is a product of theory and insubstance - therefore its exploitation is wild and neverending. Keep 'em coming - this is so much better than 'Stream of Conciousness'! :p ;)
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anything, ANYTHING can be exploited, and to say something can be faulted just by being able to be exploited is ridiculous. Judeo-Christian religions: Thou shalt not kill. Islam: Don't kill (not sure if Islam's rule against killing was with the Ten Commandments, but it's in there). Those are flat-out. They don't have a Fair Game rule. They say that killing is wrong. I don't recall anywhere in the bible that says "Don't kill people, except those motherfuckers over there!" They say don't kill. So the fact that people blame/attribute their misdeeds to their religion is in no way indicitive of the religion, and can in no way be BLAMED on the religion, because the second you allow that, if one allows the blame to be put on religion, then people can start taking away their personal responsibility for their actions. THAT'S why it's the same as blaming violent movies. It's just like anything else that takes the blame off of the people and onto something else. It is people that is the problem, not the religions that flat out say that what those people are doing is wrong.
Hell, the only religion that I could even a LITTLE bit understand placing any blame on is the Buddhist principle that both evil and good must exist, but I've never heard anybody kill in the name of Buddhism.
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Islam essentially follows the Ten Commandments.
I think I have already put it to you that the exploitation of religion has far wider and more devastating consequences than ideas that might be sparked through watching a violent film, and that the unneccessity of religion to be able to practice positive living makes religion, to use the phrase again, more bother than it is worth. Millions of people are not raped and killed because of a movie. A violent book would be a better analogy, such as The Bible or The Qur'an which fling flesh and blood about with such reckless abandon amidst their holy and influential teachings. People always need a reason to kill, and religions we do not need are the biggest reason. Therefore they can be indicted and blamed as an ill conceived ideology that simply does not work because it underestimates the erratic behaviour of humans and blows up in the face of all concerned, whether it is through criminal misuse in life or the fantastical promises that are not realised upon death.
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Again, religion its self hasn't hurt anybody. People have. People are the problem. If religion were the problem, then there'd be far fewer, if any, religious people who haven't done anything wrong. Blaming religion is ignorant and bigoted.
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