Prometheus - reviews, discussion and BD/DVD release **WARNING - SPOILER-HEAVY**

[roshiq]

After watching the movie last night for the first time, I've just finishing reading this whole thread. Man...you guys completely amazed me! How freaking beautifully you (particularly Ferox, CG & Posher) pointed out all those plot-holes, little flaws & questions and even more fascinatingly how V came up with all his answers & assumptions with much logic & sense!! The voices of true fans!! Kudos guys, always glad to have friends like you.

Originally Posted by _____V_____

Unless the explanation which I provided earlier - either they are siblings of humans, or they are an advanced, evolved or mutated version of humans. Maybe the Engineers are how humans would develop and evolve into, in the distant future.

Originally Posted by _____V_____

This adds to my theory of Engineers being an example of human evolution in the future. And it could also explain why the Engineers resembled humans so much in outward appearance.

Originally Posted by _____V_____

The look of the Engineers was clear - they were shown to be a superior race than man, a "super-man" or super being of sorts, hence the close resemblance to humans, yet the super-sized, beefy, body structure. I wonder if the title Prometheus refers to them now, instead of the humans - the ones who stole the "fire from the gods" (ability to give life) and now, pursued to be prosecuted/punished by "the gods", are forced to take their "gift" away.

Anyway, I think I can't add more what you have discussed so far, pretty much agree with V's assumption about the Engineers. They have somehow managed to grab the great substance or somewhat a key to the "secret of life" thing on their hand & then did some bio-weaponry sort of experiments that resulted some unpredictable or unwanted outcomes. The thing is it can go either way, as V said, they can be an evolved or mutated version of humans from future or a different & superior sort of intelligent race/creatures that may (as in the opening part) or may not have something to do with creation of human life on earth. But I like to guess they aren't exactly the main or only source of life in universe; more likely an intelligent humanoid creature trying to play God more successfully than human or any other life form ever did before. But yeah...the original leaked script clearly indicates that they are the sole creator of human life; so question is whether Scott & Co. follow that path or put everything into more darker & religious tone in the next phase.

Btw, I saw the film on a superb quality pirated dvd that I rented from my nearby store. Most probably they just downloaded a recent dvd relase-copy (& then copied it into the discs) which got that above "deleted" Weyland confronting Engineer scene. :)

[roshiq]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

So that they didn't disturb the air/atmosphere inside the pyramid? Remember the balance of the ante room being shifted when the humans entered it?

Just for a curiosity, do you think that atmosphere changing inside the pyramid has something to do with or somehow caused the Silica-storm outside? As I far I can recall both the event occurred consecutively or probably simultaneously.

Originally Posted by _____V_____

Obviously the alien squid was inside the surgical chamber. It was taken out of Shaw (and possibly stored in a container or something) and it grew into large proportions, just like the original Alien xenomorph. My grudge with this is something else - upon detecting an alien being which came from Shaw's abdomen, the computers of the ship should have quarantined it immediately. Either this facility was not present in that surgical pod, or the computers failed to recognise it as an alien being, seeing as how it came out from a human's body. But still, it was a glaring flaw in the continuity, since we are led to believe that the technology of that time was very, very ahead, almost on par with Alien's timeline.

Totally agree with you on this part and the funny thing is when Shaw switch on that med-pod, the voice module part of it says (something like) the med-pod is only programmed to do operation(s) on male patients. WTF?? Why only male-patients? There's 3 important members in this whole project are women; so why they didn't install/have one for them? Or how come a such advanced futuristic-surgery machine is only made for male-patients? Let's assume (as I have little knowledge on surgery or medical things), for the complication part, they made separate med-pods for male & female patients. Then where's the other one for the female crews of the ship? Was it the one that was in Ms. Vickers' chamber? Then it might make some sense, assuming Shaw didn't know that or dared to go into Meredith's chamber at that point of time.

I also found the scene when David mixed that drop of substance into Holloway's drink quite lame! Cause Holloway should have clearly seen that & at least should have rejected the drink or complain about putting his finger on it.:D It was kinda poorly done, the thing should have noticed. I think it'd done better if David put the substance quickly on the bottle instead of glass as soon as he opened the bottle to fill the glass & that can be done without any attention from Holloway.

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

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Nope, that scene was not there in the theatrical version.

Originally Posted by roshiq

Anyway, I think I can't add more what you have discussed so far, pretty much agree with V's assumption about the Engineers. They have somehow managed to grab the great substance or somewhat a key to the "secret of life" thing on their hand & then did some bio-weaponry sort of experiments that resulted some unpredictable or unwanted outcomes. The thing is it can go either way, as V said, they can be an evolved or mutated version of humans from future or a different & superior sort of intelligent race/creatures that may (as in the opening part) or may not have something to do with creation of human life on earth. But I like to guess they aren't exactly the main or only source of life in universe; more likely an intelligent humanoid creature trying to play God more successfully than human or any other life form ever did before. But yeah...the original leaked script clearly indicates that they are the sole creator of human life; so question is whether Scott & Co. follow that path or put everything into more darker & religious tone in the next phase.

The Engineers are not "gods" themselves, but a far more advanced (you can say futuristic) and evolved species of humans - supermen, as I referred to them earlier. And yes, they found the key to creating life and then indulged in all sorts of development, including bio-weaponry. The Xenomorphs are the result of a series of developments/mutations on one side, while the evolution of mankind on the other. One more thing has struck me in the meantime - the opening scene of the film doesn't necessarily have to be on Earth, it could be any planet capable of supporting multi-cellular life (possibly RBC-based). Like the "supermen" resemble us, there's a pretty strong possibility that other races of "men" have developed on other planets as well, through the Engineers.

Originally Posted by roshiq

Btw, I saw the film on a superb quality pirated dvd that I rented from my nearby store. Most probably they just downloaded a recent dvd relase-copy (& then copied it into the discs) which got that above "deleted" Weyland confronting Engineer scene. :)

Lucky. I am still waiting for the official release, while having watched the film in the theater 12 times till now.

Originally Posted by roshiq

Just for a curiosity, do you think that atmosphere changing inside the pyramid has something to do with or somehow caused the Silica-storm outside? As I far I can recall both the event occurred consecutively or probably simultaneously.

Possibly. But LV-223's atmosphere was already dotted with plenty of electrically-discharging storms, as can be seen from space when Prometheus swings in to enter it's atmosphere.

The more interesting question is this - just when Prometheus is landing (or after it has just landed), for a moment when you see the circular pyramid in the distance, I could make out another circular pyramid similar to it some distance away behind the first one. I wonder what was that - one explanation could be that there are many pyramids such as the one which the crew entered, and each one serves as an entrance to the alien spaceship below. As David said "that wasn't the only spaceship".

The way the entire surface of the moon opened up when the alien spaceship was prepping to launch itself, makes me doubt if LV-223 wasn't an artificial moon in itself? Maybe an entire moon created by the Engineers to "harvest" their bioweapons?

Interesting possibilities, if you take that into the scheme of things.

Originally Posted by roshiq

Totally agree with you on this part and the funny thing is when Shaw switch on that med-pod, the voice module part of it says (something like) the med-pod is only programmed to do operation(s) on male patients. WTF?? Why only male-patients? There's 3 important members in this whole project are women; so why they didn't install/have one for them? Or how come a such advanced futuristic-surgery machine is only made for male-patients? Let's assume (as I have little knowledge on surgery or medical things), for the complication part, they made separate med-pods for male & female patients. Then where's the other one for the female crews of the ship? Was it the one that was in Ms. Vickers' chamber? Then it might make some sense, assuming Shaw didn't know that or dared to go into Meredith's chamber at that point of time.

Maybe it was custom-made for usage by Weyland only. Like Vickers said "it is a limited edition thing and costs a fortune". (which makes you wonder if Vickers also knew Weyland was onboard Prometheus, hiding away from the rest of the crew) Weyland being in the advanced stage (near to death condition) that he was, it could have been exclusively for him. There was no mention nor indications given throughout the film about a separate female surgery pod, and since Shaw ran to that pod only, it's safe to assume that it was the only surgery pod available on the ship.

Originally Posted by roshiq

I also found the scene when David mixed that drop of substance into Holloway's drink quite lame! Cause Holloway should have clearly seen that & at least should have rejected the drink or complain about putting his finger on it.:D It was kinda poorly done, the thing should have noticed. I think it'd done better if David put the substance quickly on the bottle instead of glass as soon as he opened the bottle to fill the glass & that can be done without any attention from Holloway.

Holloway was too drunk to notice, and too disappointed to think of anything else. The more important thing here is - when David opened/closed the bottle, he was bound to touch the bottle's surface with all his fingers (specially when closing the bottle). That should have caused the goo on the tip of his finger to have been smeared all over the bottle's surface. Another one of the mistakes in the film. Scott should have thought of this a lot more clearly.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

Nope, that scene was not there in the theatrical version.

LOL! Thanks. :D

[Fearonsarms]

I finally saw this last night and I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed Prometheus. It really wasn't the film I expected it to be as I had extremely low expectations but it far exceeded them and was very thought provoking. Though it had a few flaws for me personally (the choice of actors/actresses, no Sigourney Weaver) for me they were outweighed by the good especially how there was no alien till the very end I thought that was a clever risk to take. I also loved the concept of the aliens being engineered to destroy humans and of the engineers as creators/destroyers in line with the Mayan/Sumerian mythologies referenced in the film. A huge thumb up from me.

[_____V_____]

Merry Christmas in advance, folks. (Big Thanks to HDC-ian roshiq for the related link)

http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/n...tts-prometheus

[_____V_____]

The Vatican’s official newspaper attacked Ridley Scott’s Prometheus, taking issue with the film’s premise about the origins of mankind and saying it is “a bad idea to defy the gods,” explains the Hollywood Reporter.

The film, which opened in Italy on Sept. 14, is about a team of explorers seeking to understand the origins of mankind on earth after discovering a series of clues left behind by ancient civilizations.

L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, said Prometheus “mishandles the delicate questions raised by … the battle eternal between good and evil in yet another attempt to steak the secret of immortality.” The newspaper also said that “the journey of Prometheus should instead symbolize the search for the supernatural,” referring to the original hero of Greek mythology who is said to have created man from clay.

Prometheus, now on iTunes, releases on Blu-ray and DVD October 9.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...iticism-373429

[Ferox13]

[Angra]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

:D

Funny.

[masterj]

My honest opinion about this film:
Prometheus has good special effects, really nice CGI, but very weak story and some really bad acting especially from secondary characters (like the "pissedoff" guy). Why the hell he was so pissed from the beggining? It looked so fake and exaggerated :( Also there was almost zero prestory to each character so we could actually like them or really hate them.

Near the end ship captain decides to blow alien (or gods or engineers or whatever) ship apart by sacrificing his ship. It supposed to look like heroic moment right? I don't know why but it didn't feel right... Whole crew onboard died but I didn't give a damn about them... I didn't care about captain, his two companions and all the others on the ship. Most films give atleast some screen time to these characters so they could show us why they're heroic, sad, lucky, bad, angry... How they became so-and-so (ideal example to me would be Armageddon - I actually cared about every single died crew member!).

Also, why the heck they choose GUY PEARCE over real old actor??? His character felt so unnatural and fake. I think now I understand why I like older movies better than newer ones. There were much less fakeness in them: real explosions, real old actors, real young actors, real fire, real car crashes...

Oh, and one more thing... David (Michael Fassbender) was the most likeable character in this film. I mean he was android but actually felt like he was the only real human in this spaceship. I don't know about others here, but I really liked him and he was the only character that I cared about at the end of this film.

So all in all this film felt like a fastforward cassette with too much cutoff content. I'd give prometheus something like 5/10 just because of FX and David, but that is not enough for me to watch this film again.

Sorry if you liked this film but each person has his own opinion here.

P.S> English isn't my primary language and I know that I did a lot of errors in this text so please don't be hatin' ;)